If a player at Alabama were to die during summer workouts, would Nick Saban be fired or forced to resign??
Maryland coach situation
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If this is the condition of the UMD football program then somebody higher up needs to get involved or shut the program down until they can get a handle on the guilty players and restore some order.
U. Of Maryland Board Of Regents Chair Resigns-Falllout Continues From Athlete's Death
https://www.npr.org/2018/11/01/6632...r-resigns-fallout-continues-from-athletes-dea
https://www.npr.org/2018/11/01/6632...r-resigns-fallout-continues-from-athletes-dea
FWIW, pretty much everyone on the team has called this guy a liar after he released this story, including the portion of the locker room that wanted Durkin fired. It was apparently a fight between the two punters (no one else). He was not held down - just a fight that he lost.
One of the things brought to light after this was the lack of appropriate training for staff regarding first medical response, prevention, and identification of problems.
Show of hands.....who here doesn't think that Nick Saban
1) didn't already have the appropriate staff trained/certified/etc for those specific things or
2) since this happened at Maryland HASN'T had his guys trained in these things?
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I honestly don't see how the entire administration - coaches, trainers, President and BoR - could have botched this any worse, even if they were trying to do that.
I'm willing to listen to the variability in how different people present symptoms of overheating. I'm willing to listen to the difficulty in balancing push to the edge vs. push over the edge. Where I lose patience is with the 1 hour+ time between when everybody in the building knew the player was in trouble, and when true professional medical help was called. It's clear to me they were hoping that, if they did what little they knew to do, that he would get better and nobody would be the wiser. As a result, a young man died.
Coach earlier says that the S&C and coach have to be "joined at the hip." Coach knew the culture, if not the specific incident.
President owned up to the University's culpability.
About about six months of investigation, the BoR determines that the coach didn't have the training to be culpable, and therefore wasn't.
Predictable public outrage ensues, and the BoR reverses itself less than 24 hours later.
I actually have no problem with the lengthy investigation. It takes time to arrive at all the facts, and you have a death on your hands. It needs to be right. Where my problem lies is that there were no exculpatory findings, yet the coach isn't culpable.
They should have fired him. If they had the nerve not to, feeling that they had information not generally available to the public, then public opinion shouldn't have affected the decision. What a bunch of stupid wimps.
If it weren't for the tragedy of the death of a young person, it would make for hilarious theater. As it is, it only emphasizes the incompetence that runs from the BoR to the athletic trainers, and every single stage of management in between.
Clown car circling a dumpster fire that was started by a train wreck doesn't begin to describe it.
I'm willing to listen to the variability in how different people present symptoms of overheating. I'm willing to listen to the difficulty in balancing push to the edge vs. push over the edge. Where I lose patience is with the 1 hour+ time between when everybody in the building knew the player was in trouble, and when true professional medical help was called. It's clear to me they were hoping that, if they did what little they knew to do, that he would get better and nobody would be the wiser. As a result, a young man died.
Coach earlier says that the S&C and coach have to be "joined at the hip." Coach knew the culture, if not the specific incident.
President owned up to the University's culpability.
About about six months of investigation, the BoR determines that the coach didn't have the training to be culpable, and therefore wasn't.
Predictable public outrage ensues, and the BoR reverses itself less than 24 hours later.
I actually have no problem with the lengthy investigation. It takes time to arrive at all the facts, and you have a death on your hands. It needs to be right. Where my problem lies is that there were no exculpatory findings, yet the coach isn't culpable.
They should have fired him. If they had the nerve not to, feeling that they had information not generally available to the public, then public opinion shouldn't have affected the decision. What a bunch of stupid wimps.
If it weren't for the tragedy of the death of a young person, it would make for hilarious theater. As it is, it only emphasizes the incompetence that runs from the BoR to the athletic trainers, and every single stage of management in between.
Clown car circling a dumpster fire that was started by a train wreck doesn't begin to describe it.
My takeaway is a little more basic. Something bad happened because the medical staff either was not properly trained, was not in a position to help, or was not allowed to help. This is pretty basic. Within a week they knew what happened there and could/should have taken action. By taken action - everyone responsible had to be fired because a life was lost.
The rest of this story (and the investigation) was a result of the "toxic culture" stuff that originated in the locker room after the death. It really has nothing to do with the death, and did not lead to the death. As it turns out, some players bought into Durkin's approach and others did not (insert shocked emoji here). The locker room was split before the player passed. The death caused that split to widen into a chasm that could not be bridged. Players who did not like Durkin laid the death at his feet while players who liked Durkin did not. Those two sides are not going to be easily reconciled.
The rest of this story (and the investigation) was a result of the "toxic culture" stuff that originated in the locker room after the death. It really has nothing to do with the death, and did not lead to the death. As it turns out, some players bought into Durkin's approach and others did not (insert shocked emoji here). The locker room was split before the player passed. The death caused that split to widen into a chasm that could not be bridged. Players who did not like Durkin laid the death at his feet while players who liked Durkin did not. Those two sides are not going to be easily reconciled.
When I hear cicadas in August, smell freshly cut grass, and the heat and humidity are intolerable, I still occasionally get antsy, remembering all the torture we went thru during those August drills.
I have a buddy here in Lincoln who played small college basketball. I asked him why he didn't run. He said running reminded him of punishment.
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Freshly cut grass and the sound of the pulsating sprinkler mounted on a tripod watering the field. The smell of stale uniforms and BO in the locker room. I did learn a trick on one of those suffocating afternoons; running sprints at the end of practice allowed the winner to go in, then the rest of us would line up, same thing. After a few days, I figured out I was the 5th fastest player in the practice ending sprints, so I dogged it in the first four sprints knowing I had the energy left to win the 5th set. Looking back I am sure our coach watched me and knew this but he never said anything.
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The last I had heard was that his arms were held behind him while he was punched and he wound up with a dislocated shoulder.
Supposedly there is a video somewhere. I guess it will take awhile until the truth comes out.https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports...land-football-altercation-20181101-story.html
What ever, it is a dumpster fire at Maryland. What parent will send their kid to them? They are about to die like SMU after death penalty. They should shut down program for a few years and restart fresh, kind of like UAB. Let it all blow over and replace every staff member guilty or not. The only way to remove the stink is to kill it for awhile and start over fresh. otherwise this drags on them for a decade.
Yeah, we already saw that. That is his story. The other side of the story is now coming out.The last I had heard was that his arms were held behind him while he was punched and he wound up with a dislocated shoulder.
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