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    Re: Did 2011 or 2015 rip the heart out of the LSU program?

    Alabama was fortunate to get out of Red Stick with wins in 2012 and 2014. 2016 was an absolute dog fight. 2018 was a straight up beat down. Miles is better than Orgeron and it's no even close. Orgeron will last two more seasons and then get fired. Maybe not that long. He's not qualified to run a major program like that. Great recruiter, defensive line coach and motivator but not a CEO. He's a stark raving lunatic.

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    Re: Did 2011 or 2015 rip the heart out of the LSU program?

    I definitely think it was that 2012 NCG. That was a humiliating loss. It wasn't just the score, but the way they were handled by Alabama. It was the changing of the guard, permanently. LSU has not even sniffed the BCS or the CFP since then. Until that point, including the overtime win in 2009 for Bama, the loss in 2010, the regular season loss in 2011, they were still the beast of the West. Auburn shook things up in 2010, but no one really seriously believed Auburn won that title from the strength of that overall team, or because of the quality of the program. It was Cam Newton. And, back into mediocrity they went, until the freak plays of 2013 that got them back into the NCG. LSU hasn't even had the benefit of being in a spot where a freak play would help. They have shown what talent level they truly have, and it's top notch. But they cannot tame the beast that is Alabama.

    I'll also throw out a hypothetical. If LSU were to beat a loaded Alabama team in 2019, in Tuscaloosa, it still wouldn't be a changing of the guard, provided Nick Saban is still the coach at Alabama. That simple. They are Number 2 in the division. There will be other teams finish 2 instead of them, until Saban retires, but they are still 2nd best. Recruiting, talent base, fan support, past success.

    Auburn is firmly planted at 3rd. They are better than the Mississippi programs, provided they don't keep switching coaches. Arkansas can be 4th, but the Mississippi programs are dragging up the bottom of the division, and not just because of wins and losses.

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    Re: Did 2011 or 2015 rip the heart out of the LSU program?

    Quote Originally Posted by jashleyren2 View Post
    I definitely think it was that 2012 NCG. That was a humiliating loss. It wasn't just the score, but the way they were handled by Alabama. It was the changing of the guard, permanently. LSU has not even sniffed the BCS or the CFP since then. Until that point, including the overtime win in 2009 for Bama, the loss in 2010, the regular season loss in 2011, they were still the beast of the West. Auburn shook things up in 2010, but no one really seriously believed Auburn won that title from the strength of that overall team, or because of the quality of the program. It was Cam Newton. And, back into mediocrity they went, until the freak plays of 2013 that got them back into the NCG. LSU hasn't even had the benefit of being in a spot where a freak play would help. They have shown what talent level they truly have, and it's top notch. But they cannot tame the beast that is Alabama.

    I'll also throw out a hypothetical. If LSU were to beat a loaded Alabama team in 2019, in Tuscaloosa, it still wouldn't be a changing of the guard, provided Nick Saban is still the coach at Alabama. That simple. They are Number 2 in the division. There will be other teams finish 2 instead of them, until Saban retires, but they are still 2nd best. Recruiting, talent base, fan support, past success.

    Auburn is firmly planted at 3rd. They are better than the Mississippi programs, provided they don't keep switching coaches. Arkansas can be 4th, but the Mississippi programs are dragging up the bottom of the division, and not just because of wins and losses.
    I think Texas A&M will be battling with Auburn very soon. They should have beaten them on Saturday and Fisher is recruiting lights out. A&M has thrown a lot of money at their program and they have a great recruiting base to draw from.
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    Re: Did 2011 or 2015 rip the heart out of the LSU program?

    A&M is rising and AU is fading...note their desire to change the SEC schedule. They play a patsy game between UGA and UA and it's still too tough? Come on...put on your big boy pants.

    The 2011 Championship game was major in my mind...but 2015 put a dagger in their heart. This year was a reality check...except for one poor, demented lineman.
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    Re: Did 2011 or 2015 rip the heart out of the LSU program?

    No one game ripped out their heart, it has been a 8 yr losing streak that has killed them. They have not beaten us in 8 games, that kills anyones mojo. Like UT it is the cumulative effect of destroying any hope of competing. That kind of dominance kills programs and coaching careers.

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