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    Re: Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Displaced Bama Fan View Post
    Agreed he could. Putin would laugh at the condemnation with utter distain too. He's still laughing at us for obviously not learning from the Soviets and their invasion of Afghanistan and it bankrupting our country as it did theirs.
    I was pointing out steps he could take without getting too much backlash from the left. If he does not take military action without Congressional approval then they would not have much reason to criticize him. As the top ambassador of the United States he has the right to release official U.S. statements on world events but he cannot take action without Congress.

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    Re: Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Displaced Bama Fan View Post
    So he was employed by a US company. Did it occur in the US? Was he a US citizen? Yeah, he was butchered...he was tortured. The Saudi POS who did should be shot or worse. However, his employment doesn't make this a US issue. His residence doesn't make this a US issue. Cry all you want about him being a "resident." He wasn't a citizen and it didn't occur on US soil or as an emissary in US govt. employment (that we know of). So at that point, other than filing a grievance with the UN or whatever international body it should be filed with, we're out.

    How many Mexican nationals who reside in the US are killed annually returning to Mexico and are reported on nationally and there is a public outcry or expectation that the US government intervene into Mexico's investigation or prosecution? My guess is not much if any.

    What about other foreign nationals who reside in the US and are killed returning to their home country or travelling to another? Is there as much outcry or was it specifically because he was in employment of the Post? I'm out.
    Were those nationals killed ( or worse butchered)) at the command of a government official or just from some random crime?

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    Re: Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

    Quote Originally Posted by uafanataum View Post
    Were those nationals killed ( or worse butchered)) at the command of a government official or just from some random crime?
    Doesnít matter to them - itís all the same. Silence a journalist critic, kill a rival drug dealer. Theyíre all dead, right?
    The stupidity is mind boggling.


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    Re: Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

    Quote Originally Posted by twofbyc View Post
    Doesn’t matter to them - it’s all the same. Silence a journalist critic, kill a rival drug dealer. They’re all dead, right?
    The stupidity is mind boggling.


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    In this case, you are correct. It doesn't matter to me. It is a crime that occurred in another country against a non-US citizen. How often does it happen on a daily basis? Can we go around chasing every murder whether government sponsored or not when we can't stop the killings in Memphis, Houston or Montgomery? Refocus fellas. Your rage is misdirected.

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    Re: Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Displaced Bama Fan View Post
    In this case, you are correct. It doesn't matter to me. It is a crime that occurred in another country against a non-US citizen. How often does it happen on a daily basis? Can we go around chasing every murder whether government sponsored or not when we can't stop the killings in Memphis, Houston or Montgomery? Refocus fellas. Your rage is misdirected.
    The guy was a permanent U.S. resident with children who are U.S. citizens, and that status carries some protection whether you like it or not. Your implication that he was just some random dude with no real U.S. tie was intentionally dishonest. And your advocacy that a foreign government should be allowed to butcher a U.S. resident on the soil of another NATO country with impunity, simply because they don't like his newspaper columns, is sickening.

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    Re: Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

    Quote Originally Posted by CharminTide View Post
    The guy was a permanent U.S. resident with children who are U.S. citizens, and that status carries some protection whether you like it or not. Your implication that he was just some random dude with no real U.S. tie was intentionally dishonest. And your advocacy that a foreign government should be allowed to butcher a U.S. resident on the soil of another NATO country with impunity, simply because they don't like his newspaper columns, is sickening.
    You missed this part of one of my earlier posts, but it's ok.
    Yeah, he was butchered...he was tortured. The Saudi POS who did should be shot or worse.

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    Re: Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

    Quote Originally Posted by CharminTide View Post
    The guy was a permanent U.S. resident with children who are U.S. citizens, and that status carries some protection whether you like it or not. Your implication that he was just some random dude with no real U.S. tie was intentionally dishonest. And your advocacy that a foreign government should be allowed to butcher a U.S. resident on the soil of another NATO country with impunity, simply because they don't like his newspaper columns, is sickening.
    So you think we need to sever all diplomatic ties with Saudi Arabia ASAP. We've got how many troops in the area that we are dependent on Saudi Arabia's assistance whether it be direct or indirect? Do we have any larger issues such as thousands of illegals trying to cross our border or Russia stirring up crap with Ukraine?

    Again, what about all the murders in the US? Or genital mutilation that a judge just allowed to occur in the US?

    Better yet, should we exact justice on the tribe that killed the missionary? He WAS an American citizen. Maybe we should bring the full force of the US military upon them. Pick your fight.

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    Re: Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Displaced Bama Fan View Post
    So you think we need to sever all diplomatic ties with Saudi Arabia ASAP. We've got how many troops in the area that we are dependent on Saudi Arabia's assistance whether it be direct or indirect? Do we have any larger issues such as thousands of illegals trying to cross our border or Russia stirring up crap with Ukraine?

    Again, what about all the murders in the US? Or genital mutilation that a judge just allowed to occur in the US?

    Better yet, should we exact justice on the tribe that killed the missionary? He WAS an American citizen. Maybe we should bring the full force of the US military upon them. Pick your fight.
    Wow, I haven't seen this many red herrings in such a small space since my last trip to the aquarium. Cool whataboutism though.

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    Re: Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

    Quote Originally Posted by CharminTide View Post
    Wow, I haven't seen this many red herrings in such a small space since my last trip to the aquarium. Cool whataboutism though.
    but, but, the hordes at the border.
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    Re: Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Displaced Bama Fan View Post
    You missed this part of one of my earlier posts, but it's ok.
    The Saudi POS that who did it has been fellated by our President* ever since it happened. Although I guess some people would consider that worse.

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    Re: Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

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    but, but, the hordes at the border.
    Right? And why is the CIA wasting time with this overseas dismemberment thing when they could be more focused on reducing crime in Memphis? Think about it, man.

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    Re: Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

    Quote Originally Posted by CharminTide View Post
    Right? And why is the CIA wasting time with this overseas dismemberment thing when they could be more focused on reducing crime in Memphis? Think about it, man.
    i see you are once again ignoring chicago. typical lib
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    Re: Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

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    KYIV BLOG: Did Ukraine provoke the clash in the Sea of Azov?
    Questioning the "Putin provoked this" narrative.
    Two main points.
    1. Qui bono? Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, up for election next year and currently trailing in the polls, needs something to change the trend lines.
    2. No record of Ukrainian ships requesting guidance through the straits. Ukraine has released the radio recordings in which the Russian Coast Guardsmen say, "The Prime Minister is freaking out about these Ukrainian ships" (why would the PM freak out if Russia was driving events here?). But no recordings of the Ukrainian request.

    In my view, this article not convincing, but asks some interesting questions. The jury is still out.

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