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    Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

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    Re: Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Jon View Post
    Russia will keep doing this, much like China. When there are no consequences for bully's....

    But this is a trap scenario. So many don't want another war/conflict which is completely understandable. But the whole time Russia will go unchecked because NATO is the biggest waste of humanities time ever, and Europe seems not to care.

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    Re: Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

    Well based upon Trumps response to previous Russian actions, and to the Saudi assasination, I think Russia may just be able to take over the entire Ukranian navy without American interference.

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    Re: Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

    All these “patriots “ who support Trump need to open their eyes. Trump is a gutless coward who’d rather pick fights with poor Central American “refugees” than stand up to Russia, China or the House of Saud.
    Saudis butcher legal American residents, China is taking control of the South China Sea and Russia is doing basically whatever they want. And Trump does nothing.
    You (Trump supporters) should be proud of yourselves; your “leader” exemplifies everything that you are.


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    Re: Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

    Quote Originally Posted by twofbyc View Post
    All these “patriots “ who support Trump need to open their eyes. Trump is a gutless coward who’d rather pick fights with poor Central American “refugees” than stand up to Russia, China or the House of Saud.
    Saudis butcher legal American residents, China is taking control of the South China Sea and Russia is doing basically whatever they want. And Trump does nothing.
    You (Trump supporters) should be proud of yourselves; your “leader” exemplifies everything that you are.


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    Re: Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

    If Trump came out in favor of military action against anybody the lefties would scream bloody murder. The gutless cowards are the ones who wait until Trump makes any decision and then cry and whine about it. Grow up!

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    Re: Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Valley View View Post
    If Trump came out in favor of military action against anybody the lefties would scream bloody murder. The gutless cowards are the ones who wait until Trump makes any decision and then cry and whine about it. Grow up!
    He could release a statement condemning the actions ( which is within his constitutionally granted power). Then he could request congress use their constitutionally granted power to allow him to retaliate against the Russians. If he goes about it the right way then democrats will have no reason to criticize him. However, the past few presidents have not done this, and he is worse than any of them, so I doubt it will happen.

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    Re: Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Jon View Post
    After Russia annexed Crimea, they built a bridge connecting Crimea with the Russia proper.
    Russia conducts "safety inspections" of ships that are sailing under the bridge, including Ukrainian ships. This is completely normal, given how important that bridge is to the Russians. Some of these "safety inspections" take over 24 hours, which amounts to harassment.
    The major port for Ukrainian steel exports is Mariupol and ships carrying steel from Mariupol to the outside world must pass under that bridge. Blocking that passage is yet another violation of treaty.

    Russia has been moving ships from the Caspian and from the Pacific to the Kerch Straits since at least June and 18 November, so this escalation of tensions looks premeditated.

    What should the U.S. do about it? Lodge a protest and tell the Russians to cool their jets. Beyond that, not sure. We already have major sanctions in place against Russia.

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    Re: Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Tidewater View Post
    After Russia annexed Crimea, they built a bridge connecting Crimea with the Russia proper.
    Russia conducts "safety inspections" of ships that are sailing under the bridge, including Ukrainian ships. This is completely normal, given how important that bridge is to the Russians. Some of these "safety inspections" take over 24 hours, which amounts to harassment.
    The major port for Ukrainian steel exports is Mariupol and ships carrying steel from Mariupol to the outside world must pass under that bridge. Blocking that passage is yet another violation of treaty.

    Russia has been moving ships from the Caspian and from the Pacific to the Kerch Straits since at least June and 18 November, so this escalation of tensions looks premeditated.

    What should the U.S. do about it? Lodge a protest and tell the Russians to cool their jets. Beyond that, not sure. We already have major sanctions in place against Russia.
    Thank you for this information, TW.

    I wonder why we have to rely on you to get these facts, instead of hearing it from our media?

    ^^^Rhetorical question....no need to answer^^^
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    Re: Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Bazza View Post
    I wonder why we have to reply on you to get these facts, instead of hearing it from our media?

    ^^^Rhetorical question....no need to answer^^^
    You can find stories about all of that information from the media sources you complain about. Perhaps you should spend more time looking things up for yourself instead of waiting to be spoonfed everything? Especially since the spoonfeeders keep letting you down.

    Rhetorical answer....no need to question.

    Another piece of information you can thank for is that Trump has refused to enforce/install further sanctions repeatedly despite them being passed by Congress. Perhaps without a personal underling in the White House Putin would be a little more hesitant to bully his neighbors. The sanctions against Russia and its oligarchs have been a deterrent and thorn in Putin's side. It's one of the big reasons he was so active in his 2016 election efforts. There's some free information picked up from the media that you supposedly can't hear anything from.

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    Re: Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Valley View View Post
    If Trump came out in favor of military action against anybody the lefties would scream bloody murder. The gutless cowards are the ones who wait until Trump makes any decision and then cry and whine about it. Grow up!
    Please. Trump is a coward, and the Congresswoman from Hawaii could have included Putin with the Saudis in her statement about Trump being their female dog.
    All he cares about is money (as obviously you do too), so why don’t you take all that money Trump is putting in your pocket and buy a brain, because the one you have fails the thinking test.


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    Re: Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Tidewater View Post
    After Russia annexed Crimea, they built a bridge connecting Crimea with the Russia proper.
    Russia conducts "safety inspections" of ships that are sailing under the bridge, including Ukrainian ships. This is completely normal, given how important that bridge is to the Russians. Some of these "safety inspections" take over 24 hours, which amounts to harassment.
    The major port for Ukrainian steel exports is Mariupol and ships carrying steel from Mariupol to the outside world must pass under that bridge. Blocking that passage is yet another violation of treaty.

    Russia has been moving ships from the Caspian and from the Pacific to the Kerch Straits since at least June and 18 November, so this escalation of tensions looks premeditated.

    What should the U.S. do about it? Lodge a protest and tell the Russians to cool their jets. Beyond that, not sure. We already have major sanctions in place against Russia.
    There are more sanctions that could be put in place, and it would increase tensions, but Putin knows weakness when he sees it.
    IIRC those sanctions came from Congress, and Trump was reluctant to implement them (aren’t there still some he hasn’t implemented yet? Maybe he implemented them all - hard to keep up with the circus that is the Tweetle in Chief.)


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    Re: Tension escalates after Russia seizes Ukraine naval ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Bazza View Post
    Thank you for this information, TW.

    I wonder why we have to reply on you to get these facts, instead of hearing it from our media?

    ^^^Rhetorical question....no need to answer^^^
    that was all in the video in the link I posted, nearly word for word. Do you even bother to check sources?
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