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    Season Long Polls and Rankings Thread

    Figured with the debut of the committee's new ranking system, a thread wouldn't be a bad idea.

    For the uninitiated, the NCAA is no longer using RPI. They have a new system called NET, for NCAA Evaluation Tool.

    https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball...etball-ranking

    Itíll be a rapidly updating poll, like the RPI.

    The initial rankings are out. Theyíre a tad wonky.

    https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basket...l-net-rankings

    But with a small sample size in the early season, thatís actually not too much of an indicator. Maybe it will end up being the greatest thing since sliced bread.

    It will be interesting to see how it looks day to day as we go through the season.
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    Re: Season Long Polls and Rankings Thread

    Looks like they like the big 10
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    Re: Season Long Polls and Rankings Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystical View Post
    Looks like they like the big 10
    They do.

    It's early, but I'm not exactly getting the warm fuzzies for the SEC's chances to be a 8-9 bid conference.
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    Re: Season Long Polls and Rankings Thread

    The NET rankings are terrible to say the least.

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    That's a big problem with any formula for an entire season that uses itself as a factor throughout the season.

    How is SOS determined? Part of it is based on perception. Another part is based on the opposition's SOS.

    If the NET is going to base future results on the current (and superseding lists), the first list is vital to its success.
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    Re: Season Long Polls and Rankings Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by RTR91 View Post
    That's a big problem with any formula for an entire season that uses itself as a factor throughout the season.

    How is SOS determined? Part of it is based on perception. Another part is based on the opposition's SOS.

    If the NET is going to base future results on the current (and superseding lists), the first list is vital to its success.
    It may end up being a damn mess come selection Sunday. At least RPI, for all its faults, had a tendency to self correct from the wonkiness of the early rankings as the season wore on. Silver doesn't believe NET will.

    One wonders if they took the time to hindcast the model against prior seasons. Would be pretty laughable if it spat out something like Loyola Marymount as a 1 seed.
    Last edited by AUDub; November 27th, 2018 at 11:33 AM.
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    Re: Season Long Polls and Rankings Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by AUDub View Post
    It may end up being a damn mess come selection Sunday. At least RPI, for all its faults, had a tendency to self correct from the wonkiness of the early rankings as the season wore on. Silver doesn't believe NET will.

    One wonders if they took the time to hindcast the model against prior seasons. Would be pretty laughable if it spat out something like Loyola Marymount as a 1 seed.
    Will be worth watching through January or early February. If the rankings still look like a giant mess, will enough noise be made for a change?
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    Re: Season Long Polls and Rankings Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by RTR91 View Post
    Will be worth watching through January or early February. If the rankings still look like a giant mess, will enough noise be made for a change?
    If it's a sinking ship, I think they're riding this one all the way to the bottom.

    But the outcry if there's some sort of outrageous result will be deafening and they will tweak the dickens out of it ahead of next season.

    Imagine if a mid major team that goes 30-0 vs competition like Pepperdine gets a higher seed than a Duke team that goes 20-10 against competition like Gonzaga and UNC this year. Ooh, man, that would be some righteous fury right there.
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    Re: Season Long Polls and Rankings Thread

    Yes, two things that caught my eye was the NET seems to run kind of an "infinite loop" and it does not need to come out this early even if it turns out to be a decent measure.
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    Re: Season Long Polls and Rankings Thread

    No one finds it odd that it is an acronym within an acronym?

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    Re: Season Long Polls and Rankings Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by DzynKingRTR View Post
    No one finds it odd that it is an acronym within an acronym?
    Turtles all the way down.
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    Re: Season Long Polls and Rankings Thread

    Newest NET has us at 7. Fairer than our initial ranking of 16. Matches well with RPI and Kenpom, which have us at 6 and 8, respectively.

    Maybe it's normalizing a bit.

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