President George H. W. Bush has passed

Crimson1967 · Dec 2, 2018

Here is a video of the reporting of LBJ’s death. Posting it to show how much different broadcasting was then. Cronkite is talking on an actual phone sitting on his desk. Typewriters clicking in the background. He holds up a finger to have us wait while he talks to whoever is on the other end.

https://youtu.be/j9mCcfN9iRk

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

jthomas666 · Dec 2, 2018

Part of the apparent deification is the 24/7 news cycle, part of it is people looking back and remembering what it was like to have a competent president.

Make no mistake--41 did some nasty stuff--hanging the Kurds out to dry was particularly appalling, IMO. On the whole though, he made decisions based on what he thought was in the best interests of the country. That can't be said of his son (particularly where Cheney was involved) and Trump. Plus, I feel fairly confident that he made sure that he was well-informed before making those decisions. Again, W and Trump, not so much.That's not so much deifying as looking back with a better perspective on how bad it could have been.

Displaced Bama Fan · Dec 3, 2018

Crimson1967 said:
I wonder if lefties will be saying nice things about Trump when he dies. The far right’s reaction to Carter’s death will be interesting.

The 30 day half-staff thing is SOP for when presidents die.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

As for Carter, as one considered a "far right" person, I think he was a decent, well-intentioned man, he just wasn't a strong president, much less a good one.

Displaced Bama Fan · Dec 3, 2018

jthomas666 said:
Part of the apparent deification is the 24/7 news cycle, part of it is people looking back and remembering what it was like to have a competent president.

Make no mistake--41 did some nasty stuff--hanging the Kurds out to dry was particularly appalling, IMO. On the whole though, he made decisions based on what he thought was in the best interests of the country. That can't be said of his son (particularly where Cheney was involved) and Trump. Plus, I feel fairly confident that he made sure that he was well-informed before making those decisions. Again, W and Trump, not so much.That's not so much deifying as looking back with a better perspective on how bad it could have been.

Didn't he hang the Shias in South Iraq out to dry as well? After we pushed Iraq out of Kuwait didn't we "Bay of Pigs" them by promising support if they revolted then reneged?

Bazza · Dec 3, 2018

https://twitter.com/abc/status/https://twitter.com/JebBush/status/1069413106726649856

https://twitter.com/JebBush/status/1069413106726649856

Its On A Slab · Dec 3, 2018

selmaborntidefan said:
I don't know your age TW, but this is what is astounding me on this whole deal.

I have a pretty damned good memory, and I lived through his entire Presidency and recall every single day. Other than the crass comments and - despite the disclaimers a lot of folks want to give now - many of the same folks lionizing him said a lot of the same things they say NOW about Trump.

He committed treason with Iran-Contra.
He committed adultery with his assistant, Jennifer Fitzgerald.
He was a racist.
We went to war with Iraq over his son's oil.
He was a pushover for the Commies that tried to oust Gorbachev in the 1991 coup
He was awful at picking Cabinet members and subordinates
He obstructed justice by his Weinberger pardon

ALL of those things were said about the man when he was President. Loud and long. I will grant Trump is a uniquely slimy President, but the fact is that many of the same folks now saying things like "this was before Republicans lost their minds" and "I could vote for him because it was never personal with him" are the same folks who pilloried him when he was running the show.

On the flip side, TW, Bush did have a rather lengthy and substantial service record in many areas. So maybe (being charitable here) it's the fact Bush's reach was so far in so many areas.

Don't forget his being in charge of the CIA when that agency was involved in the death of Chile's popularly-elected President Salvador Allende. And I wonder how much he knew about the US involvement in other S. American murderous dictatorships. We already know that Henry Kissinger gave the Argentine junta the green light for torture and murder of dissidents during the Dirty War.

Bazza · Dec 3, 2018

selmaborntidefan · Dec 3, 2018

Its On A Slab said:
Don't forget his being in charge of the CIA when that agency was involved in the death of Chile's popularly-elected President Salvador Allende. And I wonder how much he knew about the US involvement in other S. American murderous dictatorships. We already know that Henry Kissinger gave the Argentine junta the green light for torture and murder of dissidents during the Dirty War.

That's a fair point, but every President we've had has done things we normal folks would not be proud of (far beyond adultery).

selmaborntidefan · Dec 3, 2018

Displaced Bama Fan said:
As for Carter, as one considered a "far right" person, I think he was a decent, well-intentioned man, he just wasn't a strong president, much less a good one.

Carter - like Bush 41 - was abandoned by his own party. Carter was a fiscal conservative and social moderate long before those terms became fashionable (he even - running as a Democrat - promised a balanced budget that, like Reagan, he never achieved). He marched in and - to the view of the liberal activists - "stole" the nomination with a phenomenal game plan. And he knew they sort of "owed" him for getting forever rid of the specter of George Wallace, whom he beat. He did what I've always thought Presidents should do - what they think is right for the long-term of the country and to hell with the politics of schmoozing (in some cases). He picked Mondale as a sop to labor and the left. His Convention acceptance speech was the most "liberal" speech of his entire career.

Carter - in my view - is unfairly disparaged over the hostage crisis. The economy that was in the doldrums due to inflation wasn't his fault, but he was in charge.

Most folks I know (who don't have their craniums up their posteriors) viewed Carter as a fundamentally decent human being who simply wasn't up to the demands of the job and got replaced by an electorate that still (on the whole) respected his personal piety.

Displaced Bama Fan · Dec 3, 2018

Its On A Slab said:
Don't forget his being in charge of the CIA when that agency was involved in the death of Chile's popularly-elected President Salvador Allende. And I wonder how much he knew about the US involvement in other S. American murderous dictatorships. We already know that Henry Kissinger gave the Argentine junta the green light for torture and murder of dissidents during the Dirty War.

Didn't he deny Carter access to the UFO files as well?

Displaced Bama Fan · Dec 3, 2018

selmaborntidefan said:
Carter - in my view - is unfairly disparaged over the hostage crisis. The economy that was in the doldrums due to inflation wasn't his fault, but he was in charge.

Most folks I know (who don't have their craniums up their posteriors) viewed Carter as a fundamentally decent human being who simply wasn't up to the demands of the job and got replaced by an electorate that still (on the whole) respected his personal piety.

Ouch...That's going to leave a mark...on me.

Bazza · Dec 3, 2018

Its On A Slab · Dec 4, 2018

selmaborntidefan said:
Carter - like Bush 41 - was abandoned by his own party. Carter was a fiscal conservative and social moderate long before those terms became fashionable (he even - running as a Democrat - promised a balanced budget that, like Reagan, he never achieved). He marched in and - to the view of the liberal activists - "stole" the nomination with a phenomenal game plan. And he knew they sort of "owed" him for getting forever rid of the specter of George Wallace, whom he beat. He did what I've always thought Presidents should do - what they think is right for the long-term of the country and to hell with the politics of schmoozing (in some cases). He picked Mondale as a sop to labor and the left. His Convention acceptance speech was the most "liberal" speech of his entire career.

Carter - in my view - is unfairly disparaged over the hostage crisis. The economy that was in the doldrums due to inflation wasn't his fault, but he was in charge.

Most folks I know (who don't have their craniums up their posteriors) viewed Carter as a fundamentally decent human being who simply wasn't up to the demands of the job and got replaced by an electorate that still (on the whole) respected his personal piety.

Carter inherited an economic mess left over from decades of governmental over-spending(on Vietnam, new social programs, etc), and inflation out of control. Remember Ford's sappy "Whip Inflation Now" buttons?

The best thing he did was appoint Paul Volker to the Fed. Volker's tight money policy was the poison that we had to endure to bring inflation under control.

He was pilloried for his focus on human rights, but talk to anyone who was tortured or lost family members to the murderous dicators in Chile, Uruguay, Argentina, and they will tell you a that Carter was a great man. He and his administration stood up to the corrupt dictators......while Republican administrations (before and after) coddled these guys, death squads, etc.

92tide · Dec 4, 2018

Its On A Slab said:
Don't forget his being in charge of the CIA when that agency was involved in the death of Chile's popularly-elected President Salvador Allende. And I wonder how much he knew about the US involvement in other S. American murderous dictatorships. We already know that Henry Kissinger gave the Argentine junta the green light for torture and murder of dissidents during the Dirty War.

and for remaining pretty much silent during the aids crisis.

92tide · Dec 4, 2018

Its On A Slab said:
Carter inherited an economic mess left over from decades of governmental over-spending(on Vietnam, new social programs, etc), and inflation out of control. Remember Ford's sappy "Whip Inflation Now" buttons?

The best thing he did was appoint Paul Volker to the Fed. Volker's tight money policy was the poison that we had to endure to bring inflation under control.

He was pilloried for his focus on human rights, but talk to anyone who was tortured or lost family members to the murderous dicators in Chile, Uruguay, Argentina, and they will tell you a that Carter was a great man. He and his administration stood up to the corrupt dictators......while Republican administrations (before and after) coddled these guys, death squads, etc.

he also did a lot of needed deregulation of the transportation sector.

Tidewater · Dec 4, 2018

selmaborntidefan said:
That's a fair point, but every President we've had has done things we normal folks would not be proud of (far beyond adultery).

We had one president whose policies resulted in the deaths of 750,000 of his fellow citizens. That guy has to be pretty low sucky presidents list.

jthomas666 · Dec 4, 2018

Tidewater said:
We had one president whose policies resulted in the deaths of 750,000 of his fellow citizens. That guy has to be pretty low sucky presidents list.

Please take this tiresome crusade of yours to another thread.

Aledinho · Dec 5, 2018

Tidewater said:
We had one president whose policies resulted in the deaths of 750,000 of his fellow citizens. That guy has to be pretty low sucky presidents list.

Shouldn't it be 360,222 citizens? The others were citizens of the CSA when they died.

92tide · Dec 5, 2018

jthomas666 said:
Please take this tiresome crusade of yours to another thread.

the cause may be lost, but it is just.

Bazza · Dec 5, 2018

I caught some of the funeral proceedings coverage today and it was quite moving. Even in times of biding a fond farewell to a statesman....there is cause for optimism.

President George H. W. Bush has passed

Hall of Fame

Hall of Fame

Hall of Fame

Hall of Fame

TideFans Legend

All-SEC

TideFans Legend

TideFans Legend

TideFans Legend

Hall of Fame

Hall of Fame

TideFans Legend

All-SEC

TideFans Legend

TideFans Legend

Hall of Fame

Hall of Fame

All-SEC

TideFans Legend

TideFans Legend

TideFans.shop - NEW Stuff!