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    Re: The Saban Coaching Tree

    Bear and Saban are as similar in their National Championship numbers as their own coaching trees.

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    Re: The Saban Coaching Tree

    For all the talk about Saban’s coaching tree, he’s really only had three former assistants who have achieved any sort of high-level success as head coaches: Dantonio, Smart and Fisher. There are a bunch more who have landed anywhere from just average (McElwain, Muschamp at South Carolina, Cristobal) to abject failures (Dooley, Muschamp at Florida).

    Given that, when Saban does retire I hope we don’t get too hung up on replacing him with a “Saban” guy. I think whether an assistant will ultimately make a good head coach has a lot more to do with the person and a lot less to do with whoever they worked for. Muschamp was the top Saban guy that everyone wanted for a long time. Conversely, the head coach that “groomed” Urban Meyer was the illustrious Bob Davie. I think people put too much stock in that sort of thing.

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    Re: The Saban Coaching Tree

    I agree with B1G, it is who CNS is, not his "process". Right now I believe Fisher may be the best of his former coaches, followed by Kirby. They are both very good coaches, but more importantly they are at SEC programs that put a premium on winning. These programs also have the financial, booster and alumni base to give them all they need to win and win big. I wish the best for Coach Locksley, but realistically Maryland is probably a career dead end. Others, like Dantonio, Muschamp and Kiffin, are a step below Fisher and Smart. Which brings me to Pruitt. I do not think with only one season as HC it is clear which group he will fit in, but we should be able to get a better read after next year. If I had to pick a successor to CNS and it had to be someone who coached for him, it would be Fisher.
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    Re: The Saban Coaching Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by B1GTide View Post
    I could see Kirby in the NFL some day. He has the ego for it.
    KS has the drive, ego and ruthlessness to be great, maybe he has the focus, hard to know yet as are other attributes, but IMO, he is not smart enough. I'm not saying he is dumb by any means but he does not have anywhere near the mind that CNS does. IMO, Pruitt, though very unpolished is significantly sharper than Smart - don't know if he has the self-control or wisdom. Smart will do very well at UGA because he is sitting on a motherlode of talent and has gotten a voracious administration to buy in but not sure that can overcome his lack of elite mental capacity to be consistently great.

    You can't begin to compare CNS' and CKS' career arcs in any way. I don't need to tell you why.

    Edit: I just realized most of what I said in this post I said in an earlier one, one that I had forgotten.
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    Re: The Saban Coaching Tree

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    I could see Kirby in the NFL some day. He has the ego for it.
    The Falcons need a new coach.


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    Re: The Saban Coaching Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson1967 View Post
    The Falcons need a new coaching staff.
    FIFY.

    (Translation: He can take his entire coaching staff, a few miles down the road, and they won't have to buy new game day shirts, as they are the same color scheme.)
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    Re: The Saban Coaching Tree

    I don't really get the knocks. Mark Dantonio and Jimbo Fisher are top notch coaches, and Kirby looks like one too. Sure they haven't beaten Saban but he's the best coach in the nation and it's not like they have had a ton of opportunities.

    Just like all coaching trees some guys end up being very good, others flame out.

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    Re: The Saban Coaching Tree

    Other than Dantonio, Fisher, and Smart the rest of them have gone to programs in very bad shape. I also think it's really tough to make the jump from coordinator to coach and fully let go and trust your own coordinators the way you need to. That's why I really like K-State's hire of Kliemann (sp?) from NDSU. Hire someone who is already a proven winner, albeit at a lower level, and let him see if he can replicate that at a higher level.

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    Re: The Saban Coaching Tree

    Is it just me or does anyone else find it odd that any coach that spends any amount of time in Tuscaloosa is labeled a Nick Saban "disciple" or put under the Saban coaching tree. I view the coaching tree as people who Saban brought into the profession or had an impact very early on. Someone like Kirby Smart or Tosh Lupoi. I don't consider Mike Locksley, Jim McElwain or coaches who were here for a short time as part of the Saban coaching tree. Or coaches who were head coaches, then came to Alabama to be a coordinator then leave for another head coaching job after a year or two. Just a random thought..

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    Re: The Saban Coaching Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonForce View Post
    Is it just me or does anyone else find it odd that any coach that spends any amount of time in Tuscaloosa is labeled a Nick Saban "disciple" or put under the Saban coaching tree. I view the coaching tree as people who Saban brought into the profession or had an impact very early on. Someone like Kirby Smart or Tosh Lupoi. I don't consider Mike Locksley, Jim McElwain or coaches who were here for a short time as part of the Saban coaching tree. Or coaches who were head coaches, then came to Alabama to be a coordinator then leave for another head coaching job after a year or two. Just a random thought..
    I have always felt this way about all coaching "trees". It tends to be a complimentary thing, though, so I don't think too deeply on the matter.

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