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    Quote Originally Posted by twofbyc View Post
    Anyone - and I mean ANYONE - who is a doctor making 250-300 thousand a year and is suddenly told they wonít make but 150-200 thou a year, and decides to build houses wasnít a doctor to begin with; doctors care about healing the sick (you know, the ďOathĒ and all that) and itís patently obvious anyone who does what you suggest cares about the money and not the sick
    Of course, I donít know if my numbers are right - do you have any numbers that arenít simply wags? I donít think anybody does. But doctors and healthcare professionals should care about ďcareĒ first; if they donít they are in the wrong profession to begin with.
    Itís like spending money to slow down or halt climate change, or even repair our infrastructure - some people value money over the quality of their own existence. And thatís just sad.


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    It's easy to tell someone else to go spend anywhere between 10-15 additional years of their life in school to become a doctor, take out hundreds of thousands of dollars of personal educational loans, assume the risk of being personally sued if they make a mistake with someone's body. And do it for what someone managing a Kroger makes, in the name of the greater good. While everyone else isn't willing to make the same sacrifices in their own careers. I don't see anything wrong with a person who has the capabilities of being a great doctor. Deciding to go into another field of work, because after taking everything into consideration. It simply isn't worth it for them and their family. That doesn't make them a bad person. People who are capable of being doctors aren't morally obligated to be one.
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    This thread is depressing. Can't truly reform health care because of the poor wealthy people. Think of all the insurance CEOs, drug CEOs and 250K surgeons. Those poor, poor people.


    This country is being held prisoner by the wealthy class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonNagus View Post
    This thread is depressing. Can't truly reform health care because of the poor wealthy people. Think of all the insurance CEOs, drug CEOs and 250K surgeons. Those poor, poor people.


    This country is being held prisoner by the wealthy class.
    We could lower the standards and time it took to be a practicing surgeon, cardiologists etc and I'm sure there would be more people willing to take $150,000/year to do open heart surgery on your loved one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamabuzzard View Post
    We could lower the standards and time it took to be a practicing surgeon, cardiologists etc and I'm sure there would be more people willing to take $150,000/year to do open heart surgery on your loved one.
    There would be nothing to prevent doctors from making investments to beef up their income if that approach was taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chukker Veteran View Post
    There would be nothing to prevent doctors from making investments to beef up their income if that approach was taken.

    What type "investments"? Also, since we've done away with insurance about four posts up. How do you address their ability to afford to pay for lawsuits filed against them? Without liability insurance they would have to be literally personally liable for any claims against them. Would these "investments" produce enough constant stream of income to cover that? Because at $150,000/year and doing no telling how many surgeries in any given year. There's no way they could save enough from that type income to cover legal cost of a claim filed against them. Would we have to now ask lawyers to lower their fees in the name of the greater good, so doctors can afford legal counsel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamabuzzard View Post
    What type "investments"?

    That's a system where people invest or buy into businesses or other ventures to supplement both their regular income and net worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamabuzzard View Post
    We could lower the standards and time it took to be a practicing surgeon, cardiologists etc and I'm sure there would be more people willing to take $150,000/year to do open heart surgery on your loved one.
    They want a socialistic system that doesn't reward the hardest workers. You're spinning your wheels at this point. They'd rather have a guy with an IQ of 80 doing open heart surgery v. the guy with an IQ of 160 as long as it's cost effective and "covered."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chukker Veteran View Post

    That's a system where people invest or buy into businesses or other ventures to supplement both their regular income and net worth.
    What investments are out there that would provide a large enough guaranteed stream of monthly income to cover potential legal costs, claims being paid out etc? Or should they and their family just be willing to take that risk for $150K/year?

    *If you know of an investment that would do the above. Do a brutha a solid and PM me, you know, doing the greater good for those of us sucka's who don't make $150K+/year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamabuzzard View Post
    It's easy to tell someone else to go spend anywhere between 10-15 additional years of their life in school to become a doctor, take out hundreds of thousands of dollars of personal educational loans, assume the risk of being personally sued if they make a mistake with someone's body. And do it for what someone managing a Kroger makes, in the name of the greater good. While everyone else isn't willing to make the same sacrifices in their own careers. I don't see anything wrong with a person who has the capabilities of being a great doctor. Deciding to go into another field of work, because after taking everything into consideration. It simply isn't worth it for them and their family. That doesn't make them a bad person. People who are capable of being doctors aren't morally obligated to be one.
    And they shouldnít be doctors just to make big money - if patient care is not their first priority, then theyíre in the wrong profession.
    Medical school costs are high because doctors make big money; if they didnít make big money, not a lot of people would go - people dedicated to helping others might be the only students, and thatís not a bad thing. Kinda like teachers - their education doesnít cost as much as a doctor, but most donít make what your Kroger manager makes, either.
    All that money doctors make doesnít seem to keep them from killing themselves; Iíd honestly like to know which country has the highest suicide rate among doctors, and which has the lowest.
    Iíve got no problem with solving the medical school student loan problem, but I stand by my opinion:
    Anyone who goes into the medical profession with the thought of getting rich taking precedence over the thought of helping others is going into the wrong profession.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Chukker Veteran View Post
    There would be nothing to prevent doctors from making investments to beef up their income if that approach was taken.
    Like they donít do that now????


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamabuzzard View Post
    What type "investments"? Also, since we've done away with insurance about four posts up. How do you address their ability to afford to pay for lawsuits filed against them? Without liability insurance they would have to be literally personally liable for any claims against them. Would these "investments" produce enough constant stream of income to cover that? Because at $150,000/year and doing no telling how many surgeries in any given year. There's no way they could save enough from that type income to cover legal cost of a claim filed against them. Would we have to now ask lawyers to lower their fees in the name of the greater good, so doctors can afford legal counsel?
    If itís Medicare for all the government should assume liability.


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    Some people are naive thinking many doctors arenít making 2-3 times their medical incomes with outside investments right now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Displaced Bama Fan View Post
    They want a socialistic system that doesn't reward the hardest workers. You're spinning your wheels at this point. They'd rather have a guy with an IQ of 80 doing open heart surgery v. the guy with an IQ of 160 as long as it's cost effective and "covered."
    I just want affordable health care for all. No more $700 pills, no more $10,000 nights in a hospital. No more red tape, no more tax credits. Just freaking affordable health care. It shouldnít be this hard to figure out.

    If you think what we have now is affordable then you are either in denial, naive or you just donít care.

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