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    Quote Originally Posted by twofbyc View Post
    Iíve got no problem with solving the medical school student loan problem, but I stand by my opinion:
    Anyone who goes into the medical profession with the thought of getting rich taking precedence over the thought of helping others is going into the wrong profession.
    Doctors, lawyers, and other high stress jobs are paid for their investment in themselves as well as their willingness to take on additional stress and risk that comes with the job. They literally have peoples lives in their hands. I have seen people who do things due to a so called "higher calling" and I think that largely resulted in the support base for our current POTUS. To say that people shouldn't be compensated for taking on the jobs that others are unwilling/unable to do seems destined to deteriorate the level of care for everyone. When someone gets cancer they don't go to the local Dr. that "got a calling" and decided they can beat cancer, they go to Mayo Clinic, or MD Anderson where the best of the best congregate. I'm also not sure that its fair to believe that people who go into medicine either have to pick altruism or greed. Many times, I think people enjoy the profession, as well as the ability to have a lifestyle commensurate with their investments into themselves.

    On the flip side, there are plenty of medical professionals who still take the time out to see less lucrative Medicare/Medicaid patients because they know people need help and many times don't have alternatives.

    It just seems to me that when you start arguing that certain professions don't deserve the pay rate that they have managed to work out, you are coming awfully close to removing any incentive for people to go for the risky/hard thing. Granted, as long as it isn't achieved through deception or shady practices, I personally have no problem with rewarding people for the hard work and time they have put in. Now, I will admit, I don't believe that large CEO's deserve their golden parachutes nor their 20M salary, so I will admit that I am being disingenuous just a smidge. If more people in America felt the same, they actually have the mechanism to change that through the shares they hold in various companies, so I am not sure it is exactly the same. Or maybe it is. Technically if people feel a Dr. charges too much they can try to find an alternative, but with the way insurance is today, I don't think most people actually know the true cost of care anymore.

    There was as story in 2012 about an Alabama State Senator who got everyones knickers in a twist over comments he made in regards to teacher pay raises, 5 years after the legislature had given themselves a 67% pay raise.

    This guy got rightly destroyed for his position on teacher pay.

    Quote Originally Posted by AL state Sen. Shadrack McGill
    It's a Biblical principle. If you double a teacher's pay scale, you'll attract people who aren't called to teach. To go in and raise someone's child for eight hours a day, or many people's children for eight hours a day, requires a calling. It better be a calling in your life. I know I wouldn't want to do it, OK?
    Does every job require a calling in your opinion? Last I checked good deeds don't necessarily put food on the table or a roof over peoples heads.
    Quote Originally Posted by Trump
    We're going to have insurance for everybody, there was a philosophy in some circles that if you can't pay for it, you don't get it. That's not going to happen with us.They can expect to have great health care. It will be in a much simplified form. Much less expensive and much better. Source
    Quote Originally Posted by Obama
    If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan. Source
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    Quote Originally Posted by Displaced Bama Fan View Post
    They want a socialistic system that doesn't reward the hardest workers. You're spinning your wheels at this point. They'd rather have a guy with an IQ of 80 doing open heart surgery v. the guy with an IQ of 160 as long as it's cost effective and "covered."
    I'm hoping you forgot the blue font and actually do realize how silly this post is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamabuzzard View Post
    What investments are out there that would provide a large enough guaranteed stream of monthly income to cover potential legal costs, claims being paid out etc? Or should they and their family just be willing to take that risk for $150K/year?

    *If you know of an investment that would do the above. Do a brutha a solid and PM me, you know, doing the greater good for those of us sucka's who don't make $150K+/year.
    I have not advocated for a $150,000 cap on doctor's pay, I think that falls in the straw man department.
    There are professional investment and stock brokers that could perhaps help you with investments if you are in the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chukker Veteran View Post
    I'm hoping you forgot the blue font and actually do realize how silly this post is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 92tide View Post
    you must be new here.
    It's not that...it just seems odd when long time posters direct sarcasm at me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chukker Veteran View Post
    I have not advocated for a $150,000 cap on doctor's pay, I think that falls in the straw man department.
    There are professional investment and stock brokers that could perhaps help you with investments if you are in the market.
    I originally was responding to another poster's suggestion that doctors (surgeons) accept a salary of $150K-$250 and you chimed in seemingly in support of it, claiming that they could supplement their lower pay with "other investments". Regardless, it's an unrealistic and borderline silly suggestion as a solution to medical cost. So why even discuss it even further? Chanson78 expressed how I feel in a more concise manner than I did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamabuzzard View Post
    I originally was responding to another poster's suggestion that doctors (surgeons) accept a salary of $150K-$250 and you chimed in seemingly in support of it, claiming that they could supplement their lower pay with "other investments". Regardless, it's an unrealistic and borderline silly suggestion as a solution to medical cost. So why even discuss it even further? Chanson78 expressed how I feel in a more concise manner than I did.
    Many doctors supplement their income with investments, I see nothing silly about pointing that out. I "chimed in" because this is a discussion board and a topic was being discussed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chukker Veteran View Post
    Many doctors supplement their income with investments, I see nothing silly about pointing that out. I "chimed in" because this is a discussion board and a topic was being discussed.

    Happy holidays to you.

    Again, what type investments are out there that would be as secure as a paycheck for someone to take that risk? Would you be willing to do the same at your job?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CharminTide View Post
    The ACA didn't touch healthcare prices, it just shifted costs
    Yep. And I've been saying this since before it became law. And yet there are still a lot of people with whom I interact daily that don't understand that shifting costs and distorting markets are not the same as reducing costs. SMH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamabuzzard View Post
    It's easy to tell someone else to go spend anywhere between 10-15 additional years of their life in school to become a doctor, take out hundreds of thousands of dollars of personal educational loans, assume the risk of being personally sued if they make a mistake with someone's body. And do it for what someone managing a Kroger makes, in the name of the greater good. While everyone else isn't willing to make the same sacrifices in their own careers. I don't see anything wrong with a person who has the capabilities of being a great doctor. Deciding to go into another field of work, because after taking everything into consideration. It simply isn't worth it for them and their family. That doesn't make them a bad person. People who are capable of being doctors aren't morally obligated to be one.
    Yep. Thinking wage controls are sound economic policy is some industrial strength derp. That's a sure-fire way to cause shortages. We have people who want more government and less medical professionals in their healthcare. That's just .... um ..... wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chanson78 View Post
    Doctors, lawyers, and other high stress jobs are paid for their investment in themselves as well as their willingness to take on additional stress and risk that comes with the job. They literally have peoples lives in their hands. I have seen people who do things due to a so called "higher calling" and I think that largely resulted in the support base for our current POTUS. To say that people shouldn't be compensated for taking on the jobs that others are unwilling/unable to do seems destined to deteriorate the level of care for everyone. When someone gets cancer they don't go to the local Dr. that "got a calling" and decided they can beat cancer, they go to Mayo Clinic, or MD Anderson where the best of the best congregate. I'm also not sure that its fair to believe that people who go into medicine either have to pick altruism or greed. Many times, I think people enjoy the profession, as well as the ability to have a lifestyle commensurate with their investments into themselves.

    On the flip side, there are plenty of medical professionals who still take the time out to see less lucrative Medicare/Medicaid patients because they know people need help and many times don't have alternatives.

    It just seems to me that when you start arguing that certain professions don't deserve the pay rate that they have managed to work out, you are coming awfully close to removing any incentive for people to go for the risky/hard thing. Granted, as long as it isn't achieved through deception or shady practices, I personally have no problem with rewarding people for the hard work and time they have put in. Now, I will admit, I don't believe that large CEO's deserve their golden parachutes nor their 20M salary, so I will admit that I am being disingenuous just a smidge. If more people in America felt the same, they actually have the mechanism to change that through the shares they hold in various companies, so I am not sure it is exactly the same. Or maybe it is. Technically if people feel a Dr. charges too much they can try to find an alternative, but with the way insurance is today, I don't think most people actually know the true cost of care anymore.

    There was as story in 2012 about an Alabama State Senator who got everyones knickers in a twist over comments he made in regards to teacher pay raises, 5 years after the legislature had given themselves a 67% pay raise.

    This guy got rightly destroyed for his position on teacher pay.



    Does every job require a calling in your opinion? Last I checked good deeds don't necessarily put food on the table or a roof over peoples heads.
    Well said. For my wife, being a medical professional is a calling. But, that calling is not for free. She was not allowed to go into medicine in Vietnam. When she arrived here she needed to support herself, her infirmed father, her younger siblings, and her mom back in Vietnam. She couldn't make the time sacrifice to be a doctor, so she pursued nursing. Years later when I met her, and we became engaged, I encouraged her to try med school. I knew that's something she wanted, and I could support here while she went back to school. Because we were in our 30s when we met, she had to decide if she wanted the career and maybe not a family. She decided she wanted a family, so she passed on med school. Instead, she decided to be a nurse anesthetist, because it takes fewer years than med school but provides a higher salary than a lot of doctors (family, pediatric, even ob-gyn) can command. Without the vast increase in pay, the decision to forgo several years in salary and take on six figures of cost would be moot. There's a shortage of highly skilled medical professionals now. Suppress salaries and the problem will not be made better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Yep. Thinking wage controls are sound economic policy is some industrial strength derp. That's a sure-fire way to cause shortages. We have people who want more government and less medical professionals in their healthcare. That's just .... um ..... wow.
    Wage control is a great idea as long as it's not "your" wages. Or like "minor" surgery. It's only "minor" when you're not the one going under. LOL!
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    Something else .... I mentioned that my wife has a calling to help people, so let me elaborate. She is going on a medical mission to the Philippines for three weeks in February/March. If she were still a RN (salary tops out around $75k in the DC area) she would likely not be able to go because she is going out-of-pocket more than $10k to volunteer her services. She's using up her leave and paying for her own transportation and also paying for a good portion of the supplies. It's her current salary (about triple what she was making) that allows her to be able to do this.

    (The medical facility is near an orphanage. When my daughter heard about this she packed up most of her toys and clothes to send to the children. It seems my daughter has a calling like my wife. Hopefully, she follows a similar career path. In the meantime, we are looking into mission trips occurring over the summer so both my daughter and I can help. Of course, we'd have to pay our own way. Again, it's our salaries that make this desire to help achievable.)
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