Lindsey Graham is in full pout-rage mode over it.it will be interesting to see if this actually happens. my guess would be no.
I noticed that the Orange Man touted "victory over ISIS".
that 23 dimensional chess is bound to make his supporters giddy.Lordy, today must be Putin's lucky day. First Trump pulls out of Syria, and now he's dropping sanctions. Kinda makes you wonder who leaked that signed document about the Trump-Moscow deal.
Trump to terminate sanctions on Russian aluminum company Rusal
*finally understands the big picture*that 23 dimensional chess is bound to make his supporters giddy.
Or course he is. He, McCain and a few dems met with the Syrian rebels a few years ago when O was still prez and promised them the world. I'm sure there were no incentives for them, right?Lindsey Graham is in full pout-rage mode over it.
So you think we should be in Syria? Under what pretense? Humanitarian or securing the right of ways for oil and gas to flow through Syria to Europe? Did you really think our government gave a crap about the Syrians? Destabilize the current regime that won't play ball. Install a new regime that will. Rinse and repeat. Welcome to US foreign diplomacy.Lordy, today must be Putin's lucky day. First Trump pulls out of Syria, and now he's dropping sanctions. Kinda makes you wonder who leaked that signed document about the Trump-Moscow deal.
Trump to terminate sanctions on Russian aluminum company Rusal
Did I say that?So you think we should be in Syria?
Who cares? Let Putin have it. The last thing we need is to be fighting for control of oil. Europe needs it & Putin will control the pipelines or proposed pipelines coming from Iran, Iraq and the Qatar. He jacks up the prices, we're now a net exporter so we'll export to Europe instead at a slightly lower price, in the mean time watching our economy go through the roof. I'm not really sure where the loss is.Did I say that?
Whether we should or shouldn't have ever gotten involved, Syria is a proxy war for regional influence between us and Russia. And now we're withdrawing. Putin is smiling tonight.
The worst mistake we've ever made was in thinking some cultures are ready for liberal democracy.Who cares? Let Putin have it. The last thing we need is to be fighting for control of oil. Europe needs it & Putin will control the pipelines or proposed pipelines coming from Iran, Iraq and the Qatar. He jacks up the prices, we're now a net exporter so we'll export to Europe instead at a slightly lower price, in the mean time watching our economy go through the roof. I'm not really sure where the loss is.
By us selling to Europe instead of buying from Iran, it weakens Iran too. This is full of win. As you guys were joking earlier, but this is a helluva chess match.
I always though hindsight was 50/50.The worst mistake we've ever made was in thinking some cultures are ready for liberal democracy.
I can remember this place getting giddy during the Arab Spring. While there is still hope for places like Tunisia(maybe), by and large, all that occurred by throwing out the neo-fascist pan-Arabists....was to bring in an invasion of ISIS, Islamist, anti-democratic forces, all with the full support of the gangsters in charge in Moscow.
Assad is a murderous thug, as has his family been for generations. But a benign one at that. I.e., he enslaves, impoverishes, and abuses Syrians, but rarely causes trouble outside his country's borders. (Numerous incursions with Israel put an end to that).
Hindsight is always 20/20. I'm sure Ronald Reagan would have loved to have taken out Quaddafi. He pretty much tried with those F-111 bombing runs. And taking out Saddam didn't do anything more than create a different set of problems for the US. Iran had been wanting Saddam gone for decades, and we did their job for him without them firing a shot.
Had Obama ordered a unilateral pullout from Syria, heads would have exploded in right-wing circles. Yet, Trump made this decision with hardly a voice raised. Oh yeah, Aunt Pitty Pat clutched his pearls yesterday, but he will fall back in line like the rest of them.
"Revenge is best served with cold cuts." - Tony SopranoI always though hindsight was 50/50.
Obama ordered us into Syria to begin with. We had no reason to be there but hey...he "promised" to get us out of Afghanistan and Iraq too, but we're still there. But you're right, we created power vacuums that can't be filled now without our intervention.The worst mistake we've ever made was in thinking some cultures are ready for liberal democracy.
I can remember this place getting giddy during the Arab Spring. While there is still hope for places like Tunisia(maybe), by and large, all that occurred by throwing out the neo-fascist pan-Arabists....was to bring in an invasion of ISIS, Islamist, anti-democratic forces, all with the full support of the gangsters in charge in Moscow.
Assad is a murderous thug, as has his family been for generations. But a benign one at that. I.e., he enslaves, impoverishes, and abuses Syrians, but rarely causes trouble outside his country's borders. (Numerous incursions with Israel put an end to that).
Hindsight is always 20/20. I'm sure Ronald Reagan would have loved to have taken out Quaddafi. He pretty much tried with those F-111 bombing runs. And taking out Saddam didn't do anything more than create a different set of problems for the US. Iran had been wanting Saddam gone for decades, and we did their job for him without them firing a shot.
Had Obama ordered a unilateral pullout from Syria, heads would have exploded in right-wing circles. Yet, Trump made this decision with hardly a voice raised. Oh yeah, Aunt Pitty Pat clutched his pearls yesterday, but he will fall back in line like the rest of them.
https://twitter.com/abc/status/https://twitter.com/VeraMBergen/status/1075747540954431489So, you're saying that Bashir Assad is the Michael Corleone of the Assad crime family. The hand-picked successor gets killed, and he gets pulled into the family business.Obama ordered us into Syria to begin with. We had no reason to be there but hey...he "promised" to get us out of Afghanistan and Iraq too, but we're still there. But you're right, we created power vacuums that can't be filled now without our intervention.
As for Assad, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't think he's the murderous thug. His brother, who runs the Republican Guard, on the other hand, is bat [crap] crazy. The Assad in "power" never wanted the gig. He's an Ophthalmologist by training and wanted to live in London. When his brother wrapped his car around the light post, the elder Assad called him home thinking he would probably be better than the younger crazier than hell brother. Unfortunately, it hasn't worked out.
I do not think Bashar was given a choice.So, you're saying that Bashir Assad is the Michael Corleone of the Assad crime family. The hand-picked successor gets killed, and he gets pulled into the family business.
He may have wanted that life as a docile, London opthalmologist, but the power and money was too great.
"You take over the family business or your crazy brother Maher takes over and murders your kids, rapes your wife and sells her to a roving band of sheep herders."I do not think Bashar was given a choice.
His dad was Hafez, btw.So, you're saying that Bashir Assad is the Michael Corleone of the Assad crime family. The hand-picked successor gets killed, and he gets pulled into the family business.
He may have wanted that life as a docile, London opthalmologist, but the power and money was too great.
He may be a nicer, more polished thug than Saddam, but he's still a thug.