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    Re: Tua needs to break tendencies for a Title.

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    From his presser, I don't think Tua has a clear idea at this point as what all he did wrong. I think he's still waiting for the staff to tell him. I hope they can and, not only that, I hope they can keep it from happening again, since we will see Clemson's tactics all next year...
    If I'm being honest, I was diappointed in Tua's remarks. I think it was a disrespect to Clemson, but you are probably right in that he doesn't really understand "what" happened just yet.

    But I believe he's got the kind of character that he'll use "what" happened (when he figures it out) to learn and grow from it.

    His next progression is to take the pre-snap read and be able to confirm that with a post-snap read. He'll be able to IMO.

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    Re: Tua needs to break tendencies for a Title.

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaMoon View Post
    I think it's an overstatement to say he was "exposed." He made two bad mistakes on those INTs. I think they simply found a way to use his skill against him. Credit to Clemson.
    I don't think it is. Look at the Georgia game tape and then look at last's night game. They essentially used the same scheme to bait Tua to throw interceptions.
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    Re: Tua needs to break tendencies for a Title.

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaMoon View Post
    I think it's an overstatement to say he was "exposed." He made two bad mistakes on those INTs. I think they simply found a way to use his skill against him. Credit to Clemson.
    TBH, I'm not sure either INT had to do with pre-snap reads. On the pick 6 Clemson was clearly in man coverage. I don't remember that being disguised. We had a bad route concept vs man coverage. When 1 defensive back can guard both WRs then there's something wrong with the route. The defensive back who picked it off was so close to to both WRs that he came off his man and picked it. Again, nice play by Clemson but I don't think Tua was fooled on that play. Something was off with the WR spacing.

    On the other INT, Tua could have been confused by pre-snap alignment but that's generally not the case when a QB throws into triple coverage on a go route. It looked like a desperation ball that should have never been thrown.

    Kudos to Clemson because they made our offense look as bad as it has all season. Could write a short story on things we could've done different on offense but I think the biggest thing would've been what a lot of us mentioned in the early pages of this thread. Tua should have taken the short passes i.e. RBs out of the backfield and on the 4th down play Ruggs wide open on a shallow cross. Those throws were there all night but just like previous game Tua rarely, if ever, took what the defense was giving him. This, IMO, is not Tua being confused by pre-snap alignment and disguises. The deep passes have been wide open all year but they weren't in this game so he just needed to check the ball down. Tua tries for the home-run pass to often and with a defense as talented as Clemson you just have to get the ball to the open play-makers, even if it's a short route, and let them work in space..

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    Re: Tua needs to break tendencies for a Title.

    Quote Originally Posted by JustNeedMe81 View Post
    I don't think it is. Look at the Georgia game tape and then look at last's night game. They essentially used the same scheme to bait Tua to throw interceptions.
    Yes, but the INTs were just part of the problem. He still had a great game except for those 2 throws. The bigger issue was our inability to run the ball in the red zone IMO.

    As for Tua, more than anything last night was a product of them being able to pressure Tua with 4 and drop 7.

    Maybe I'm getting hung up on the "semantics" of what it means to be "exposed."

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    Re: Tua needs to break tendencies for a Title.

    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonForce View Post
    TBH, I'm not sure either INT had to do with pre-snap reads. On the pick 6 Clemson was clearly in man coverage. I don't remember that being disguised. We had a bad route concept vs man coverage. When 1 defensive back can guard both WRs then there's something wrong with the route. The defensive back who picked it off was so close to to both WRs that he came off his man and picked it. Again, nice play by Clemson but I don't think Tua was fooled on that play. Something was off with the WR spacing.

    On the other INT, Tua could have been confused by pre-snap alignment but that's generally not the case when a QB throws into triple coverage on a go route. It looked like a desperation ball that should have never been thrown.

    Kudos to Clemson because they made our offense look as bad as it has all season. Could write a short story on things we could've done different on offense but I think the biggest thing would've been what a lot of us mentioned in the early pages of this thread. Tua should have taken the short passes i.e. RBs out of the backfield and on the 4th down play Ruggs wide open on a shallow cross. Those throws were there all night but just like previous game Tua rarely, if ever, took what the defense was giving him. This, IMO, is not Tua being confused by pre-snap alignment and disguises. The deep passes have been wide open all year but they weren't in this game so he just needed to check the ball down. Tua tries for the home-run pass to often and with a defense as talented as Clemson you just have to get the ball to the open play-makers, even if it's a short route, and let them work in space..
    I believe that's why the WR seemed to give up on the route - he had to be thinking there's no way the ball would come his way and it never should have.
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    Re: Tua needs to break tendencies for a Title.

    Tua has some self scouting to do for sure. For all the crap Saban got for not starting him earlier last year, this very well might be why it didnít happen sooner. I imagine our secondary last year showed in practice at times what happens when you go for the homerun all the time.

    I hope he gets better about that, but I do feel like Locksley could have helped him out with better play calling. They blitzed almost every play last night and we saw hardly any screens, draws, or bootlegs.
    We did not adjust to what they were doing.

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    Re: Tua needs to break tendencies for a Title.

    Quote Originally Posted by TideFan in AU View Post
    For all the crap Saban got for not starting him earlier last year, this very well might be why it didnít happen sooner. I imagine our secondary last year showed in practice at times what happens when you go for the homerun all the time.

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    Saban himself said that Tua was 54 of 58 in practices leading up to last year's playoffs. These 2 years, Tua has thrown 54 tds and 8 interceptions for a 195.1 qb rating. He can improve, but I think the O. C. is some to blame for going so often for the home run ball.

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    Re: Tua needs to break tendencies for a Title.

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    Here to eat some crow. Skeeter was right in that Tua could get fooled based on a presnap read.
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    Re: Tua needs to break tendencies for a Title.

    This was Tua's first loss at Alabama, and you could tell that he was still stunned in the presser. He simply had no idea what train had just run him over. Hopefully he is able to move past this without regressing. This is the type of beat down that can really challenge the confidence of a player, and Tua is not going to have any success without total faith in his ability and the coaches/game plan.

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    Re: Tua needs to break tendencies for a Title.

    Yep well scouted Skeeter.
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    Re: Tua needs to break tendencies for a Title.

    I’m Going back to this thread, because of the pick 6. I really don’t want to watch the film so I’m going off memory. It was a corner blitz, safety rotating over late, Devonte running a clear out with Jeudy underneath. Tua made the right read, throw into the blitz, but it was either a terrible throw, well behind Jeudy or it was tipped and redirected at the line by he jumping blitzer. It looked like Devonte was maybe running a sluggo, as he ran about 5 yards and started stutter stepping, which allowed the defender to cover both as now Jeudy caught up with Devonte. Maybe it was the lay-off, I don’t know. Complex offense need timing and precision. Maybe the right read should of been a throw downfield to the boundary for Smith. I don’t know. That would be what everyone seems to be complaining about with Tua and his top down progression
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    Re: Tua needs to break tendencies for a Title.

    In Tuaís defense. He didnít get very long to throw the ball.
    Some throws were not caught.

    How about the 4th and goal rollout to the left. Fail.

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    Re: Tua needs to break tendencies for a Title.

    Tua is still the best QB in the country by far who maybe is a little to in love with the long ball and tight window throws. He has superior physical skills throwing the ball and placement. However, just like I golf, you have to play the game mentally too playing percentages and willing to take the layups.

    There was a path to controlling the game. We controlled the game until we got in the red zone when the play calling went weird. His 2nd interception was just a ball into triple coverage with 5 minutes to play in 2Q where were driving the field running the ball. We didn't need that throw in that situation. Tua needs to understand the situations in the game that determine outcomes.

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