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    Re: Changes for next year

    Quote Originally Posted by bamaslammer View Post
    Chris Allen, Terrell Lewis, Christian Miller, Trevon Diggs, Jayln Armour-Davis, five guys who could have made a huge difference in this game. We started the year thin and inexperienced on defense and without those five guys it's amazing we made it this far. We have got to shake this injury bug, we can't recruit enough quality players to replace all that we are losing.
    That's something Jeff and Scott will address in offseason.
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    1) While I agree that the coaches are paid a lot of money to prepare the players to win, let's also not forget that they're 18-22 year olds who are still learning how to be mentally ready for a 15-game season. Down to each player, it's a case-by-case basis on who "gets it", and who is "still learning". I'd argue that a lot of the player attrition due to the NFL caught up a bit this year, especially on defense.

    2) Staying on that front, I believe there's a lot of good a loss like this can do to a team's psyche, and how they self-scout themselves in preparation for next season. Granted, this kind of loss can have just the opposite effect, and send the team on a long, slow decline. But, I believe there's some relationship to the idea that the more you are successful, the more likely you will begin to believe in your superiority, and that leads to a type of arrogance that doesn't handle beatdowns like last night very well. We have a lot of young players being pressed into service before they're ready mentally (just a fact of the game as it stands today).

    3) I believe that CNS hired Enos as a long-term plan that Locksley would leave eventually, and CNS could return to more of an offense he prefers. Enos may actually be the guy that can help the offense in a shootout, AND the guy that'll help control the ball with the RBs. Plus, Enos would still be the QB coach as per his background, which leads me to agree to JessN's assertion (I believe) that it'll be a defensive assistant that replaces Locksley's slot, not an offensive one.

    4) I do think that CNS still has a couple of titles left in him, and his overall track record speaks for itself when it comes to self-diagnosing problems during the season, and fixing them in the offseason. However, I agree with JessN that he has to adapt in his substitution patterns to help out his DL and WRs. Heaven forbid Jeudy, DeVonta, Ruggs, and Irv all leave after next year, and the WRs leftover (with the exception of Waddle) are still incredibly green. Dabo has figured out how to substitute his players on some regular basis, and keep his bench players interested in the game.

    5) Coaching turnover - I can't speak for working under any college football coach, but it is well known publicly that working for CNS is tough, tough work. It is professionally rewarding when you decide to move on, but we all know he runs a meat-grinder of a schedule, particularly when it comes to recruiting. It's what's made him and Alabama successful, and I don't see why he would change that now. But, I do believe this knowledge plays a part in the coaching turnover, when coaches decide to leave, and when coaches decide to not come to Alabama. Venables was asked why he hasn't left Clemson for a HC opportunity, and he basically said that it's due to the work-life balance that Dabo has created for his staff. Maybe CNS needs to re-evaluate that side of it to help keep some of his coaches with him, I don't know for sure.

    6) If you look at the history of college football dynasties, these losses happen. I'm not happy that it occurred, but I'm also not sure some of the comments and statements made by the fans in the last 12-14 hours are healthy either. Like a poster said earlier, dynasties rise and fall, and at some point, Alabama will have to come to grips with that, especially when CNS leaves. As much as I'd like to think that Alabama will just keep churning along immediately past CNS, history suggests otherwise. You never want to be THE GUY that replaces THE GUY, no matter how successful they have been before they come to Alabama to coach college football. Enjoy this run. I don't think it's the end of the world for CNS and the program; 55-4 in the last four years with four consecutive national championship game opportunities, and "only" winning 2 of them? Now that Meyer has left, that leaves Dabo, Saban, and Fisher as the only coaches that have won NCs that are still coaching. Trust the Process, and again, ENJOY THIS RUN!!!

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    Re: Changes for next year

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaTide View Post
    1) While I agree that the coaches are paid a lot of money to prepare the players to win, let's also not forget that they're 18-22 year olds who are still learning how to be mentally ready for a 15-game season. Down to each player, it's a case-by-case basis on who "gets it", and who is "still learning". I'd argue that a lot of the player attrition due to the NFL caught up a bit this year, especially on defense.

    2) Staying on that front, I believe there's a lot of good a loss like this can do to a team's psyche, and how they self-scout themselves in preparation for next season. Granted, this kind of loss can have just the opposite effect, and send the team on a long, slow decline. But, I believe there's some relationship to the idea that the more you are successful, the more likely you will begin to believe in your superiority, and that leads to a type of arrogance that doesn't handle beatdowns like last night very well. We have a lot of young players being pressed into service before they're ready mentally (just a fact of the game as it stands today).

    3) I believe that CNS hired Enos as a long-term plan that Locksley would leave eventually, and CNS could return to more of an offense he prefers. Enos may actually be the guy that can help the offense in a shootout, AND the guy that'll help control the ball with the RBs. Plus, Enos would still be the QB coach as per his background, which leads me to agree to JessN's assertion (I believe) that it'll be a defensive assistant that replaces Locksley's slot, not an offensive one.

    4) I do think that CNS still has a couple of titles left in him, and his overall track record speaks for itself when it comes to self-diagnosing problems during the season, and fixing them in the offseason. However, I agree with JessN that he has to adapt in his substitution patterns to help out his DL and WRs. Heaven forbid Jeudy, DeVonta, Ruggs, and Irv all leave after next year, and the WRs leftover (with the exception of Waddle) are still incredibly green. Dabo has figured out how to substitute his players on some regular basis, and keep his bench players interested in the game.

    5) Coaching turnover - I can't speak for working under any college football coach, but it is well known publicly that working for CNS is tough, tough work. It is professionally rewarding when you decide to move on, but we all know he runs a meat-grinder of a schedule, particularly when it comes to recruiting. It's what's made him and Alabama successful, and I don't see why he would change that now. But, I do believe this knowledge plays a part in the coaching turnover, when coaches decide to leave, and when coaches decide to not come to Alabama. Venables was asked why he hasn't left Clemson for a HC opportunity, and he basically said that it's due to the work-life balance that Dabo has created for his staff. Maybe CNS needs to re-evaluate that side of it to help keep some of his coaches with him, I don't know for sure.

    6) If you look at the history of college football dynasties, these losses happen. I'm not happy that it occurred, but I'm also not sure some of the comments and statements made by the fans in the last 12-14 hours are healthy either. Like a poster said earlier, dynasties rise and fall, and at some point, Alabama will have to come to grips with that, especially when CNS leaves. As much as I'd like to think that Alabama will just keep churning along immediately past CNS, history suggests otherwise. You never want to be THE GUY that replaces THE GUY, no matter how successful they have been before they come to Alabama to coach college football. Enjoy this run. I don't think it's the end of the world for CNS and the program; 55-4 in the last four years with four consecutive national championship game opportunities, and "only" winning 2 of them? Now that Meyer has left, that leaves Dabo, Saban, and Fisher as the only coaches that have won NCs that are still coaching. Trust the Process, and again, ENJOY THIS RUN!!!

    Roll Tide.
    . You forgot Les Miles at Kansas, But I get your point.
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    Re: Changes for next year

    Quote Originally Posted by bamaga View Post
    Y. You forgot Les Miles at Kansas, But I get your point.
    I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Les Miles for giving me some laughs last night when I REALLY needed them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bamaga View Post
    Y. You forgot Les Miles at Kansas, But I get your point.
    I did. Still thinking he was out of the coaching limelight, testing edible grass products for Scott's Turf.
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    Re: Changes for next year

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaTide View Post
    1) While I agree that the coaches are paid a lot of money to prepare the players to win, let's also not forget that they're 18-22 year olds who are still learning how to be mentally ready for a 15-game season. Down to each player, it's a case-by-case basis on who "gets it", and who is "still learning". I'd argue that a lot of the player attrition due to the NFL caught up a bit this year, especially on defense.

    2) Staying on that front, I believe there's a lot of good a loss like this can do to a team's psyche, and how they self-scout themselves in preparation for next season. Granted, this kind of loss can have just the opposite effect, and send the team on a long, slow decline. But, I believe there's some relationship to the idea that the more you are successful, the more likely you will begin to believe in your superiority, and that leads to a type of arrogance that doesn't handle beatdowns like last night very well. We have a lot of young players being pressed into service before they're ready mentally (just a fact of the game as it stands today).

    3) I believe that CNS hired Enos as a long-term plan that Locksley would leave eventually, and CNS could return to more of an offense he prefers. Enos may actually be the guy that can help the offense in a shootout, AND the guy that'll help control the ball with the RBs. Plus, Enos would still be the QB coach as per his background, which leads me to agree to JessN's assertion (I believe) that it'll be a defensive assistant that replaces Locksley's slot, not an offensive one.

    4) I do think that CNS still has a couple of titles left in him, and his overall track record speaks for itself when it comes to self-diagnosing problems during the season, and fixing them in the offseason. However, I agree with JessN that he has to adapt in his substitution patterns to help out his DL and WRs. Heaven forbid Jeudy, DeVonta, Ruggs, and Irv all leave after next year, and the WRs leftover (with the exception of Waddle) are still incredibly green. Dabo has figured out how to substitute his players on some regular basis, and keep his bench players interested in the game.

    5) Coaching turnover - I can't speak for working under any college football coach, but it is well known publicly that working for CNS is tough, tough work. It is professionally rewarding when you decide to move on, but we all know he runs a meat-grinder of a schedule, particularly when it comes to recruiting. It's what's made him and Alabama successful, and I don't see why he would change that now. But, I do believe this knowledge plays a part in the coaching turnover, when coaches decide to leave, and when coaches decide to not come to Alabama. Venables was asked why he hasn't left Clemson for a HC opportunity, and he basically said that it's due to the work-life balance that Dabo has created for his staff. Maybe CNS needs to re-evaluate that side of it to help keep some of his coaches with him, I don't know for sure.

    6) If you look at the history of college football dynasties, these losses happen. I'm not happy that it occurred, but I'm also not sure some of the comments and statements made by the fans in the last 12-14 hours are healthy either. Like a poster said earlier, dynasties rise and fall, and at some point, Alabama will have to come to grips with that, especially when CNS leaves. As much as I'd like to think that Alabama will just keep churning along immediately past CNS, history suggests otherwise. You never want to be THE GUY that replaces THE GUY, no matter how successful they have been before they come to Alabama to coach college football. Enjoy this run. I don't think it's the end of the world for CNS and the program; 55-4 in the last four years with four consecutive national championship game opportunities, and "only" winning 2 of them? Now that Meyer has left, that leaves Dabo, Saban, and Fisher as the only coaches that have won NCs that are still coaching. Trust the Process, and again, ENJOY THIS RUN!!!

    Roll Tide.
    All good points..... and I agree about Enos...... he did a lot of good at Arkansas

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    Re: Changes for next year

    Quote Originally Posted by bamaga View Post
    Y. You forgot Les Miles at Kansas, But I get your point.
    And Mack Brown at UNC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrAzY3 View Post
    I think there was some scoffing when I started saying this last season, but from what I've seen the key to Alabama's success is a dominant running back, not a dominant quarterback. Tua joins the list now, but Alabama actually hasn't won most their championships with quarterbacks having great seasons. It tends to be quarterbacks having ok seasons and a team that leans on the running back (dominant seasons, like they had from Ingram, Richardson, Lacy, and Henry). It doesn't take a lot of imagination to see how that could have changed the outcome this game.

    If Alabama isn't slinging the ball around, they might have less big plays, but they also probably don't have the two turnovers. Furthermore, if they did have a dominant power running game, it's harder to imagine Alabama being kept out of the end zone as often either... so there is something to not becoming overly reliant on great quarterback play, because there's so much finesse required there, while a powerful running back is more reliable.
    I said this to a buddy of mine earlier in the season. I like all of our RB's, Jacobs is my favorite, and I believe they will all play in the NFL but none of them appear to be as capable as RBs in the past of carrying the team.

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    Bama loses the entire D line. ?
    I will likely get blasted for this:

    I am not sure the D line was very good, in the holistic sense. And yes, I mean Davis, Williams(top 5 draft status!!!) and Buggs - undeniably all "really good players".

    I saw all three quit on plays from the first game through to the last - and it looked like conditioning, effort, or both. For the value of their individual skills and abilities, the sum of their parts did not add up.

    I mention this because in some ways it seems like a microcosm of this entire Alabama team: winning, sometimes in spectacular fashion, based on the overwhelming talent performing as expected reliably enough. When bad luck, a well prepared opponent, or an adversary that "wants it more" came along, talent was not enough to overcome.

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    Re: Changes for next year

    In coming days and weeks, hopefully some of the guys on board will have insight on what changes will be made by coaching staff.
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    Re: Changes for next year

    Hire Brent Venables. Do whatever it takes.

    Seriously though, once again, defense wins championships. Clemson had the best in the country. Bama had the worst in the Saban era.

    18.1 ppg is simply unacceptable for this program with this history and this tradition. We all knew the offense would have to carry the defense this season. And it did just fine at that until you get to the championship level.

    People like to scoff at it nowadays with tempo spread and RPO being the toast of the town. But the same things win that always won... we just have a different bunch of excuses if we lose. Work, self-discipline, sacrifice, teamwork, fighting to achieve... I would add to that, especially when it comes to championships, defense.

    I dont really have anything super specific. Im not a coach or Xs and Os guy. Ill leave the specifics to those folks who get paid millions for their expertise.

    Inexperience in the secondary will take care of itself, as will trying to do too much at the QB position. Need better line depth on both sides of the ball.

    Didnt get pressure on sunshine all night, but that was largely a result of key injuries to our best pass rushers.

    All I know is we need to get back to dominating on the defensive side of the ball. That is the hallmark of this program, if ever there was one.

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    Re: Changes for next year

    Quote Originally Posted by ARollTideDad View Post
    I will likely get blasted for this:

    I am not sure the D line was very good, in the holistic sense. And yes, I mean Davis, Williams(top 5 draft status!!!) and Buggs - undeniably all "really good players".

    I saw all three quit on plays from the first game through to the last - and it looked like conditioning, effort, or both. For the value of their individual skills and abilities, the sum of their parts did not add up.

    I mention this because in some ways it seems like a microcosm of this entire Alabama team: winning, sometimes in spectacular fashion, based on the overwhelming talent performing as expected reliably enough. When bad luck, a well prepared opponent, or an adversary that "wants it more" came along, talent was not enough to overcome.
    Bama doesn't have a good record against similarly talented teams with a chip on their shoulder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ARollTideDad View Post
    I saw all three quit on plays from the first game through to the last - and it looked like conditioning, effort, or both.
    I was pretty shocked to see QW sucking wind so badly midway through the 2nd quarter when Clemson had only had possession of the ball for like seven minutes, total.
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