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    Re: Question: any thoughts to why CNS seemed so calm vs. his fiery self?

    Quote Originally Posted by dvldog View Post
    My thought during the game based only on the TV sideline shots was that he looked “disinterested” or “resigned”. Can’t be true but that’s what occurred to me as I watched the game.

    Looked more like frustration that nothing worked. Perhaps he knew how it was going to end, long before we did. And also why.
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    Re: Question: any thoughts to why CNS seemed so calm vs. his fiery self?

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    He said in the post game that he was not comfortable with what we needed to do to cover their receivers. Not a direct quote but "comfortable" was the word used to describe the situation. Take that and then see how the game began and I honestly think he knew very early on that we were not the better team that night. He knew Clemson was more prepared, more fired up. I am not saying he threw the towel in, just that he knew any amount of yelling or anything else was not going to make up for the lack of focus and preparation.
    You know, what gets me, is that I think we prepared for them. I think we watched plenty of game film, but I think Clemson just wanted to win more. Their efforts on defense and on offense were just way more than ours. We have the athletes, and we have the coaching, that much is known. But they wanted it more. No amount of prep is going to get over that hump of complacency. We all struggle with it, and I'm 43 freaking years old. Complacency will cause you to lose sometimes. And it did Monday night. It happens rarely, but it showed itself this year in second halves with big leads, and in the Citadel game in the first half. This team is sooo loaded and talented and has it all together, that they generally can show up and beat anyone on earth. Except Clemson.

    I think of the loss as a RESET for the program. It needed to happen. It was showing itself in the OU game, and it showed itself at other times this year too. Complacency is all it was. Venebles is good, Dabo is good. But they aren't GREAT, like Saban. Bama is better. Always is, and always will be.

    I'll go out on a limb here (sarcasm), and say they will not want to see Alabama next season.

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    Re: Question: any thoughts to why CNS seemed so calm vs. his fiery self?

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    The man's been coaching for a long time and he knows when it's not gonna happen. Sometimes, you just have to accept you're taking a beating that night.

    I also assume he realized (sounds like he recognized it even at half time) that they (the staff) had failed in preparing the guys.

    Just what my gut is telling me. But I could be misinterpreting everything.
    I agree. I find myself watching his demeanor over the years. By halftime I knew we were in trouble just watching how his was acting. I really did not think we would come back because I had seen that look on him just a small number of times.

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    Re: Question: any thoughts to why CNS seemed so calm vs. his fiery self?

    Quote Originally Posted by jashleyren2 View Post
    You know, what gets me, is that I think we prepared for them. I think we watched plenty of game film, but I think Clemson just wanted to win more. Their efforts on defense and on offense were just way more than ours. We have the athletes, and we have the coaching, that much is known. But they wanted it more. No amount of prep is going to get over that hump of complacency. We all struggle with it, and I'm 43 freaking years old. Complacency will cause you to lose sometimes. And it did Monday night. It happens rarely, but it showed itself this year in second halves with big leads, and in the Citadel game in the first half. This team is sooo loaded and talented and has it all together, that they generally can show up and beat anyone on earth. Except Clemson.

    I think of the loss as a RESET for the program. It needed to happen. It was showing itself in the OU game, and it showed itself at other times this year too. Complacency is all it was. Venebles is good, Dabo is good. But they aren't GREAT, like Saban. Bama is better. Always is, and always will be.

    I'll go out on a limb here (sarcasm), and say they will not want to see Alabama next season.
    i don't necessarily think it was complacency or not wanting to win enough on our part. i don't think you can discount the cumulative mental toll that the nov-seccg stretch probably took on the team. they had the stress of tua and jalen both being hurt during our toughest stretch of games, then the awesome second half comeback in the seccg.
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    Re: Question: any thoughts to why CNS seemed so calm vs. his fiery self?

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    I agree. I find myself watching his demeanor over the years. By halftime I knew we were in trouble just watching how his was acting. I really did not think we would come back because I had seen that look on him just a small number of times.
    Watched the "Home Radio Broadcast", and they did not show his halftime talk, with the ESPN sideline reporter. Just heard his segment with Rashad. He sounded exasperated.
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    Re: Question: any thoughts to why CNS seemed so calm vs. his fiery self?

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    This team was not ready to play. That is on the staff, starting with CNS. He knows it, and I'll bet that he uses it to re-energize himself and the whole program this year. He is still the GOAT, but we got a reminder that that doesn't mean that he is infallible.
    I don't think many will argue about the greatness of Belicheck, Walsh, and others at the next level. But have they been perfect throughout? Of course not. Your point is spot on. This was one of those games. A win, which we all would have loved, was "expected". No one predicted Clemson winning it. It needed to happen this way. It sucks, but I don't even know if it was unavoidable. Heck, Georgia should have beaten us. That was the only game this year where I felt we escaped a sure loss. But we played very sloppy at times with big leads. It didn't matter because of the big lead.

    Next year, I will settle for less of the blowout type of affairs. I love when we smash Tennessee or Missouri or Auburn or whoever, really. But, we need to have been tested more. It was just too easy throughout the year. Great team? Yes. Greatest ever? Still quite a possibility we were, but the numbers hid problems on the defensive side of the ball. Georgia exposed some of that, and OU did in the 2nd half. Clemson stripped it all down and showed it.

    Funny thing is, we actually even led this game for a brief time. We were that good in 2018.

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    Re: Question: any thoughts to why CNS seemed so calm vs. his fiery self?

    Quote Originally Posted by 92tide View Post
    i don't necessarily think it was complacency or not wanting to win enough on our part. i don't think you can discount the cumulative mental toll that the nov-seccg stretch probably took on the team. they had the stress of tua and jalen both being hurt during our toughest stretch of games, then the awesome second half comeback in the seccg.
    Great points. Stuff that I glossed over. But I'll disagree and say I think it was 100% complacency that caused this loss. We recovered from the injuries, and the opponents we played just didn't have the talent or coaching to do anything with Alabama this year. Except Georgia, and OU on one side of the ball. They both exposed that. Clemson was just more complete, and they FULLY exposed us.

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    Re: Question: any thoughts to why CNS seemed so calm vs. his fiery self?

    As others have said - when Saban knows he's outmatched he doesn't lose his cool. That's perfectly normal for him. He's most likely to get fired up when someone false starts when Bama is up by 40 than when it's tied.
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    Re: Question: any thoughts to why CNS seemed so calm vs. his fiery self?

    Quote Originally Posted by cuda.1973 View Post
    Watched the "Home Radio Broadcast", and they did not show his halftime talk, with the ESPN sideline reporter. Just heard his segment with Rashad. He sounded exasperated.
    Yeah, but it wasn't just the halftime talk, it's how he looked and acted on the sidelines leading up to halftime that spoke volumes.

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    Re: Question: any thoughts to why CNS seemed so calm vs. his fiery self?

    Quote Originally Posted by jashleyren2 View Post
    Great points. Stuff that I glossed over. But I'll disagree and say I think it was 100% complacency that caused this loss. We recovered from the injuries, and the opponents we played just didn't have the talent or coaching to do anything with Alabama this year. Except Georgia, and OU on one side of the ball. They both exposed that. Clemson was just more complete, and they FULLY exposed us.
    i do (did is more like it) very long distance trail running and one of my friends (he is a few years older than me and a good deal faster) always joked about his yearly "do" bucket (we all had about 6-7 big races we would do each year plus other lesser events). the idea is there is a finite amount of "do" that you have available (and that "do" is both mental and physical). you can get 1 maybe 2 "top" performances each year (you can still do very good, just not "the best") out of yourself and any kind of adversity; e.g. a particularly bad day, a stressful finish (even if it is ultimately successful), an injury, slowly depletes your bucket.

    not sure if that makes much sense to anyone else, but over 10-12 years of racing, i found it to be fairly accurate.

    so that's what i was talking about vis-a-vis complacency. i think the team peaked in the second half of the sec cg and first quarter of the ou game. i think alot of it is there just wasn't enough metaphorical gas in the tank and that affected preparation, ability to respond in game, etc. that was met with clemson playing pretty much as good as they could and we saw the results.
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    Re: Question: any thoughts to why CNS seemed so calm vs. his fiery self?

    Quote Originally Posted by 92tide View Post
    i do (did is more like it) very long distance trail running and one of my friends (he is a few years older than me and a good deal faster) always joked about his yearly "do" bucket (we all had about 6-7 big races we would do each year plus other lesser events). the idea is there is a finite amount of "do" that you have available (and that "do" is both mental and physical). you can get 1 maybe 2 "top" performances each year (you can still do very good, just not "the best") out of yourself and any kind of adversity; e.g. a particularly bad day, a stressful finish (even if it is ultimately successful), an injury, slowly depletes your bucket.

    not sure if that makes much sense to anyone else, but over 10-12 years of racing, i found it to be fairly accurate.

    so that's what i was talking about vis-a-vis complacency. i think the team peaked in the second half of the sec cg and first quarter of the ou game. i think alot of it is there just wasn't enough metaphorical gas in the tank and that affected preparation, ability to respond in game, etc. that was met with clemson playing pretty much as good as they could and we saw the results.
    You're probably right about the timing but I can't help but feel we have peaked during the LSU game several times over the last decade. And then it's a slow decline until the SEC championship game is over and we get built back up over the month off in December. We look great in our bowl game. Since the CFP, we've always looked depleted in the NC game, after usually looking fantastic in the semi-final.

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    Re: Question: any thoughts to why CNS seemed so calm vs. his fiery self?

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    You're probably right about the timing but I can't help but feel we have peaked during the LSU game several times over the last decade. And then it's a slow decline until the SEC championship game is over and we get built back up over the month off in December. We look great in our bowl game. Since the CFP, we've always looked depleted in the NC game, after usually looking fantastic in the semi-final.
    i have noticed that too.
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    Re: Question: any thoughts to why CNS seemed so calm vs. his fiery self?

    Quote Originally Posted by jashleyren2 View Post
    I don't think many will argue about the greatness of Belicheck, Walsh, and others at the next level. But have they been perfect throughout? Of course not. Your point is spot on. This was one of those games. A win, which we all would have loved, was "expected". No one predicted Clemson winning it. It needed to happen this way. It sucks, but I don't even know if it was unavoidable. Heck, Georgia should have beaten us. That was the only game this year where I felt we escaped a sure loss. But we played very sloppy at times with big leads. It didn't matter because of the big lead.

    Next year, I will settle for less of the blowout type of affairs. I love when we smash Tennessee or Missouri or Auburn or whoever, really. But, we need to have been tested more. It was just too easy throughout the year. Great team? Yes. Greatest ever? Still quite a possibility we were, but the numbers hid problems on the defensive side of the ball. Georgia exposed some of that, and OU did in the 2nd half. Clemson stripped it all down and showed it.

    Funny thing is, we actually even led this game for a brief time. We were that good in 2018.
    I agree with all of this. Wasn't it Eli Manning and the Giants that surprised the Patriots several years ago in the Super Bowl??? Seems like NE had a perfect record and the Giants nowhere near it. I keep thinking of that. game. I hate the loss, man, I hate it, but in a way I think it was a good thing. Pity the teams that play us next year.

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