2019 Federal government shut down and the wall
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I don’t. Many people I know who voted for him don’t care about the wall and never did. Some still support him, some don’t.
Wall or no wall, he won’t get re-elected; highly doubtful he’ll even be able to run.
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He will still energize and turn out his 38-42%. Frankly, I don't think even the wall failure and shutdown will wound him seriously enough for his defeat, although I think he's smart to be wary of it, given the tiny margin of EC victory. I still believe that he will lose a lot of independents and voters who wanted "shake things up." Also, because of the general negativity surrounding HC, the people with the most to lose with a Trump presidency, the black and brown people, stayed home in droves. The question is whether or not the Democrats can turn out such a candidate. All they have to do is quit the foot-shooting...
Incumbency is a powerful tool. Also, even though the economy is being pumped up with what are normally recession-fighting tools, if the chickens come home to roost before 2020, his goose is cooked...
A microcosm of what might happen is how Doug Jones got elected. One unfit candidate (Moore) and another who had a drastically different worldview (Jones). So many Republicans stayed home to a large percentage, especially in the Birmingham metro area. Thus, Jones wins. I can see that happening on a national scale in 2020.
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I would like to think the report from Mueller, showing Trump basically IS a Russian puppet, would sway his base against him, but at the same time, I realize the GOP has abandoned any sense of patriotism, and is ok with Trump teaming up with Putin to win.
I understand your position, and realize my opinion is biased - but when has either party ever been about anything other than money and power?
Would love to hear more about the last part of your post. Are you referring to how the HC campaign 'performed'? And specifically - how the DNC handled themselves in 2016?
Also - I don't think Trump will run in 2020....especially the way things are looking with the Mueller investigation.
When John Kerry was offered help under the table by one of our country's adversaries, he went straight to the FBI. When Trump was offered help from the Russians, he took advantage. Now we know Trump lied throughout his entire campaign about not working with the Russians, and was instead negotiating with them about building a Trump tower in Moscow that would put hundreds of million dollars in his pocket. In exchange for relaxing sanctions against Russian interests, which he has lobbied for in a very public fashion, evidently assuming his base is either too dumb, uninformed or racist for it to make any difference. So far, it looks like he knew his voters very well.
Yeah, I don't agree with universal cynicism here. There were many Democrats who voted for the ACA knowing it would end their political career. And it did, although history seems to have vindicated their choice. McCain could have let that racist woman tell lies about Obama's heritage during his town hall. As we see now with Trump, that would have surely helped his campaign. But he didn't.
Just because the current GOP is avoiding their constitutional duties through love of power and money does not mean this has always been the case.
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You can make any argument you want for or against any politician.
What matters is who does the best job with their campaign and somewhat related...who is the best candidate at any particular time.
Going forward......who's it going to be this time?
I've so revolted by the GOP that I vote Dem by default. That doesn't mean the Dems have blanket approval from me. We've seen corrupt Dems from time to time, out for personal gain rather than the public good. But what we are seeing now is an entire party becoming Russian friendly because they are following their leader, with many other elected GOPers bought and paid for by Russian money laundered through the NRA or other avenues that can't be tracked, and are also funded by Putin's cronies.
Yes, and also avoid the kind of internecine attacks which occurred during the last Republican primaries and greatly benefited Trump. I'd say his running in '20 is about 50%...
Asking the other GOP candidates how they like the idea that Trump beat them in the primaries using extra help from the Russians leaves them stammering for a response. I seem to remember Rubio and Graham both being asked about it.
My 91 year old Mom's doctor shifted his approach from a curative to a palliative one this past Friday following a very difficult few weeks. The palliative method is the prerequisite required to get Hospice involved. She's still living at home and wants to finish up there, no idea what kind of time frame we are looking at.
My best to NT17 and Bazza and your mothers.
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My heart goes out to all of you for the trying times y'all are going through with your moms.
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