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    Re: Are we going to move away from the RPO's now?

    We need fast, quick behemoths on both sides of the line. Don't get me wrong I love Q Williams but what is up with our training that he tired out so much and had to sideline? The boys seemed to tire quicker than usual.
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    Re: Are we going to move away from the RPO's now?

    Technically isn’t RPO an element of “multiple” or “play action” offenses? The only thing being how heavy they depend on it?

    Agree with CA about the ability to make the read in the midst of the play versus making the change via audible as part of the pre-snap read as a greater stressor on defenses. Also it makes it one other player (qb) that defenses must account for in the run game.

    Interesting too, it seems the RPO has evolved in my mind. It seemed it originally the throw “read” was made more “past the mesh point” where QB forced the corner to commit to cover or come up to support the run. It looks to me, especially with Bama’s RPO, the decision to give/keep/throw is made mostly at the RB/QB mesh point. The end crashes or LBs up, you either pull and keep or hit something behind the LBs. Not often did you see Tua pull it, go down the line then throw. Maybe early in the season but certainly not after the knee injury.

    Regardless I think it should remain part of this offense, especially with Tua at the helm. However, I think this year we depended too much on it at times and got away from ability to line up a be a physically dominant, line up and “run it down your the throat” offense. And I do believe we have the ability and the players to do both.

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    Re: Are we going to move away from the RPO's now?

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaMoon View Post
    It's like they tricked us into thinking we could run at the goal line and then we couldn't. I don't know if that was intentional on their part...but that's the way it happened..
    To be realistic about it, when the 'O' gets into the 'Red Zone' there's less field for the 'D' to cover thus becoming a little harder for an 'O' to score!
    When we got inside the 10 and going against perhaps the best 'D' in College Football this past year, well no explanation needed!
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    Re: Are we going to move away from the RPO's now?

    Quote Originally Posted by cuda.1973 View Post
    OK, here is what Jonah had to say, in his on-line whatchamacallit, earlier today:

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    I think they’re great. RPO’s are the future.
    It helps the OL because a “conflict player” that usually can add on to the box in the run game now has to respect a speedy receiver on a post route or something.
    It’s not fool proof though. Clemson did a good job of playing buzz coverages where it would appear like quarters (7) pre snap and then they’d buzz down to post safety 3/6 and they’d have an additional player in the box. Pre snap read would look good, like we’re accounted for in the box, but then post-snap we’re running uphill into a loaded box.
    My one complaint is the OL downfield rules. I’ve gotten one called on me in each Clemson game because I’m busy kicking a LB’s @$$ and then they throw a flag because I didn’t know the ball was thrown. In this last game, I was only 2 yards downfield when the ball was released (can be within 3) but I pushed the LB into the ref on accident so he threw the flag as soon as he saw me
    Had to change one word..................
    I remember the penalty on J. Williams in this game against Clemson but was never able to see what actually took place. Interesting explanation.

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    Re: Are we going to move away from the RPO's now?

    Quote Originally Posted by ROTYDE View Post
    We need fast, quick behemoths on both sides of the line. Don't get me wrong I love Q Williams but what is up with our training that he tired out so much and had to sideline? The boys seemed to tire quicker than usual.
    Q had a phenomenal year so I wonder if he had been sick? However I'm about to tear down one of the golden calfs with this but I've long questioned Cochran's S&C philosophy, or at least I assume it's his philosophy, of emphasizing bulk over everything else. I think some of our guys would be better of to drop some weight and focus more on quickness and endurance. If you have enough depth then it doesn't matter as much if you need to take frequent breaks to refresh but we did not seem to have much depth on the DL this year.

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    Re: Are we going to move away from the RPO's now?

    What's an RPO?

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    Re: Are we going to move away from the RPO's now?

    Quote Originally Posted by imauafan View Post
    Q had a phenomenal year so I wonder if he had been sick? However I'm about to tear down one of the golden calfs with this but I've long questioned Cochran's S&C philosophy, or at least I assume it's his philosophy, of emphasizing bulk over everything else. I think some of our guys would be better of to drop some weight and focus more on quickness and endurance. If you have enough depth then it doesn't matter as much if you need to take frequent breaks to refresh but we did not seem to have much depth on the DL this year.
    I touched on this in an earlier thread.

    The problem is that the old way that Saban substituted went out with the change in offenses when the 40 second play clock was instituted. Prior to the offenses taking advantage of it he could liberally substitute so if a player was in good shape he could get a breather and get back out there.

    As it is now the defense is forced to keep pace with the offensive speed to the line or risk a substitution infraction and/or not being ready when the ball is snapped.

    The adjustment to this has not been complete and it begins in recruiting and runs through S&C right on to game day results.

    I miss the 25 second play clock but since this appears to be the way it going to be we need to adjust accordingly.

    Mind you, I don't think it's a big change that's needed, move of a slight pivot. In general, Bama has done an excellent job but the pursuit of perfection requires a reassessment now and again.
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    Re: Are we going to move away from the RPO's now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Professor View Post
    What's an RPO?
    Run Pass Option. It's a play where the QB can hand off to a RB, throw a pass, or run it himself depending on what the defense does. When run correctly it can be very fun to watch and very difficult to defend.

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    Re: Are we going to move away from the RPO's now?

    Quote Originally Posted by NationalTitles17 View Post
    I touched on this in an earlier thread.

    The problem is that the old way that Saban substituted went out with the change in offenses when the 40 second play clock was instituted. Prior to the offenses taking advantage of it he could liberally substitute so if a player was in good shape he could get a breather and get back out there.

    As it is now the defense is forced to keep pace with the offensive speed to the line or risk a substitution infraction and/or not being ready when the ball is snapped.

    The adjustment to this has not been complete and it begins in recruiting and runs through S&C right on to game day results.

    I miss the 25 second play clock but since this appears to be the way it going to be we need to adjust accordingly.

    Mind you, I don't think it's a big change that's needed, move of a slight pivot. In general, Bama has done an excellent job but the pursuit of perfection requires a reassessment now and again.
    Agreed. Our recruiting philosophy has changed but I'm not sure our S&C philosophy has changed as much as needed.

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    Re: Are we going to move away from the RPO's now?

    Quote Originally Posted by CB4 View Post
    Technically isn’t RPO an element of “multiple” or “play action” offenses? The only thing being how heavy they depend on it?

    Agree with CA about the ability to make the read in the midst of the play versus making the change via audible as part of the pre-snap read as a greater stressor on defenses. Also it makes it one other player (qb) that defenses must account for in the run game.

    Interesting too, it seems the RPO has evolved in my mind. It seemed it originally the throw “read” was made more “past the mesh point” where QB forced the corner to commit to cover or come up to support the run. It looks to me, especially with Bama’s RPO, the decision to give/keep/throw is made mostly at the RB/QB mesh point. The end crashes or LBs up, you either pull and keep or hit something behind the LBs. Not often did you see Tua pull it, go down the line then throw. Maybe early in the season but certainly not after the knee injury.

    Regardless I think it should remain part of this offense, especially with Tua at the helm. However, I think this year we depended too much on it at times and got away from ability to line up a be a physically dominant, line up and “run it down your the throat” offense. And I do believe we have the ability and the players to do both.
    .its probably a derivative of the zone read. I am all for an occasional RPO , I think it helps in other similar formations. Just the slightest indecision by a linebacker could mean a big play . Gives them something to think about. And when they are thinking, usually they aren’t moving,
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    Re: Are we going to move away from the RPO's now?

    Quote Originally Posted by imauafan View Post
    Run Pass Option. It's a play where the QB can hand off to a RB, throw a pass, or run it himself depending on what the defense does. When run correctly it can be very fun to watch and very difficult to defend.
    Thank you very much

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