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    I now feel the exact same way I did three years before Gottfried was removed.

    I now feel the same way I did two years before Grant was removed. Why delay the inevitable? It is crystal clear Avery Johnson will not get it done. He is simply in over his head. The SEC is too tough now and the coaching too good. Byrne needs to make the tough call and go get a coach that can compete against Pearl, Howland, Barnes, etc, etc. The SEC has seen a huge improvement in coaching almost across the board. Alabama continues to wallow in mediocrity. That will not change under Johnson. There is a coach currently sitting on the sidelines that would be a great hire. Fred Hoiberg is available. He did a fabulous job at Iowa St. I am sure there are others that would be a significant upgrade in coaching than what we have now.

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    Re: I now feel the exact same way I did three years before Gottfried was removed.

    Okay, I don't feel like this is on Avery 100 percent. The players has to owe up to their mistakes. They are not finishing the game in second half like they should've. Memphis is having same issue as well. Kentucky as well. If we clean up the mistakes in second half, we would looking at the team with 1 losses by now.

    The issue I see with this team are this: Experience playing team ball. Last year they deferred to Sexton way too much on offense. This year, this is more balanced team. I expect them to be lot better by Feb or March. We just started SEC Play like last week or two weeks ago.

    Last but least, Who would be way better than Avery right now? You think Hoiberg can actually get the job done in SEC with the roster we have? The team is real good, but are inconsistent with their ball play... Like I said before, not all is on Avery. People needs to stop having high expectations and just let Johnson do his job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustNeedMe81 View Post
    Okay, I don't feel like this is on Avery 100 percent. The players has to owe up to their mistakes. They are not finishing the game in second half like they should've. Memphis is having same issue as well. Kentucky as well. If we clean up the mistakes in second half, we would looking at the team with 1 losses by now.

    The issue I see with this team are this: Experience playing team ball. Last year they deferred to Sexton way too much on offense. This year, this is more balanced team. I expect them to be lot better by Feb or March. We just started SEC Play like last week or two weeks ago.

    Last but least, Who would be way better than Avery right now? You think Hoiberg can actually get the job done in SEC with the roster we have? The team is real good, but are inconsistent with their ball play... Like I said before, not all is on Avery. People needs to stop having high expectations and just let Johnson do his job.
    Ok, so it is only 90% on Avery. Whose responsibility is it to hold players accountable? We play careless basketball. One player in particular is a turnover machine. We consistently struggle shooting free throws. We are in year four and still suck. What is our identity as a basketball team? What do we try to do on offense? What do we try to do on defense? It isn't clear and that is 100% on Avery. Check out what Hoiberg did at Iowa St. He competed against a pretty darn good conference. So, yes, I think Hoiberg would be doing better. I firmly believe we would be more sound fundamentally and our players would not be making the same mistakes over and over and over and over again. And, perhaps, just perhaps, we would have one or two inbounds plays. Johnson makes $3 million per year, maybe more. He is in YEAR FOUR. I am not asking for a Final Four caliber program, just one that gives consistently good effort, is sound fundamentally and has some semblance of a basketball strategy. We can continue down this path and get further and further behind other programs, or we can go ahead and make the change. Ole Miss is about to blow past us in year one.

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    Re: I now feel the exact same way I did three years before Gottfried was removed.

    No doubt Greg Byrne would be more likely to follow our counsel on this if we could prevent his reading the board from four years ago and seeing how generally opposed opinion was to the possibility of hiring Rick Barnes...


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    Re: I now feel the exact same way I did three years before Gottfried was removed.

    [QUOTE=Isaiah 63:1;3374032]No doubt Greg Byrne would be more likely to follow our counsel on this if we could prevent his reading the board from four years ago and seeing how generally opposed opinion was to the possibility of hiring Rick Barnes...

    Just curious, what was the general complaint about Barnes? I probably would have leaned more towards Howland, but Barnes would have been an awesome choice.

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    Re: I now feel the exact same way I did three years before Gottfried was removed.

    Quote Originally Posted by JustNeedMe81 View Post
    Okay, I don't feel like this is on Avery 100 percent. The players has to owe up to their mistakes. They are not finishing the game in second half like they should've. Memphis is having same issue as well. Kentucky as well. If we clean up the mistakes in second half, we would looking at the team with 1 losses by now.

    The issue I see with this team are this: Experience playing team ball. Last year they deferred to Sexton way too much on offense. This year, this is more balanced team. I expect them to be lot better by Feb or March. We just started SEC Play like last week or two weeks ago.

    Last but least, Who would be way better than Avery right now? You think Hoiberg can actually get the job done in SEC with the roster we have? The team is real good, but are inconsistent with their ball play... Like I said before, not all is on Avery. People needs to stop having high expectations and just let Johnson do his job.
    Good points. I think you can add another factor in youth. Several of the players are freshman, sophmores, or tranfers will little playing experience. I think they will improve as the year goes on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rolltide_21 View Post
    Good points. I think you can add another factor in youth. Several of the players are freshman, sophmores, or tranfers will little playing experience. I think they will improve as the year goes on.
    Youth is no excuse. Everyone, generally speaking is young. We are actually experienced in the current state of college basketball. All of our players with the exception of Kira, have played extensively over the last two years.

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    Re: I now feel the exact same way I did three years before Gottfried was removed.

    Quote Originally Posted by linniepatrick View Post
    Youth is no excuse. Everyone, generally speaking is young. We are actually experienced in the current state of college basketball. All of our players with the exception of Kira, have played extensively over the last two years.
    Not exculpating Avery, but inconsistency is the name that most of college basketball goes by these days. A little comparative gauge: Alabama loses to Northeastern at a neutral site by 20 points or whatever (it was a rout), Delaware loses at home to the team generally considered the worst in D1, rival "The" Delaware State University, then loses to Hofstra in the school's worst defeat in 35 years, then travels to Boston a few days later and bumps off Northeastern. An RPI swing of about 180 places in three games.

    And to further not exculpate Avery, but to put at least some of the misery on him, so long as the roster dictates (or seems to be dictating) that Riley Norris plays meaningful minutes - like fouling out in 18-19 minutes Saturday vs. aTm - there are going to be nights when 'Bama may be mistaken for the Washington Generals with Red Klotz at power forward...

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    Re: I now feel the exact same way I did three years before Gottfried was removed.

    Iirc, Barnes was considered over the hill. White wasn't a big enough name. I really don't remember too many names after the guy at Wichita. I think that Avery wanted the job and it made Bill Battle's life easier to give it to him.

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    Re: I now feel the exact same way I did three years before Gottfried was removed.

    I like Avery, and he knows basketball. My biggest issue is Bama's inconsistency on the defensive end. That tends to go straight to the coach. I like watching SC play. They aren't as talented as Bama this year, but play hard on D. Same for the Vols, and MS State. No one watching Bama would say you can count on the D showing up. But the season has a long way to go, and they have time to right the ship. And as some have pointed out, Bama narrowly has missed out on having a very good record right now, letting some games slip away.

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    Re: I now feel the exact same way I did three years before Gottfried was removed.

    Donít agree, heíll get it figured out and still think we have a good season. Recruiting classes getting better every year, offense has improved a good bit this year and we have more offense coming next year

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    Re: I now feel the exact same way I did three years before Gottfried was removed.

    Avery is an improvement over Grant big-time. He has a winning record against AP Top 25 (12-10) while before he showed up, we couldn't buy a win. Now, the losses to Georgia State and Texas A&M are very concerning because we didn't play a lick of defense and Avery didn't seem to be able to a)make any adjustments and b)was not able to get players to stop the slide. A good coach usually is able to call a timeout and get the players to respond. If it was me, their behinds wouldn't get off their seats if there wasn't effort on defense.

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    Re: I now feel the exact same way I did three years before Gottfried was removed.

    We keep thinking we can be an elite hoops school. We cannot.

    We are doomed to forever be a different level hoops school. We will have mid level talent, mid level coaching, and mid level fan support.

    Not sure if Wimp jinxed us, but other than the one year we luckily got Stanford in RD 2, we are nearing 30 years of mediocrity

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