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    Pete seems like a good guy. I just wish he had more political experience than the mayor of South Bend.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chanson78 View Post
    Pete continues to impress. Iím just sad I havenít seen any other Pete stickers driving around town.
    What state do you live in? If it's anywhere in the southeast then I am not surprised you do not see any stickers for a homosexual democrat. That statement makes me wonder: since anyone with an R by their name can win in Alabama, how would they respond to a homosexual republican?

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    Quote Originally Posted by uafanataum View Post
    What state do you live in? If it's anywhere in the southeast then I am not surprised you do not see any stickers for a homosexual democrat.
    This is an interactive map that shows the Democratic donations so far, broken down by zip code: LINK. Kinda neat.

    Buttigieg is consistently in the top 2 around me, but this is the midwest. Took a quick glance at Alabama, and he's more consistently at #3-4. But whoever lives in 30307 around Atlanta seems to really like him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CharminTide View Post
    This is an interactive map that shows the Democratic donations so far, broken down by zip code: LINK. Kinda neat.

    Buttigieg is consistently in the top 2 around me, but this is the midwest. Took a quick glance at Alabama, and he's more consistently at #3-4. But whoever lives in 30307 around Atlanta seems to really like him.
    Hey Charmin...pretty cool...thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson1967 View Post
    Pete seems like a good guy. I just wish he had more political experience than the mayor of South Bend.
    We've had 18 years of inexperience, I'm ready for a change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamaro View Post
    We've had 18 years of inexperience, I'm ready for a change.

    While in NO WAY do I want to advocate for so-called "inexperience".....what experience actually translates into being a President?

    (Discussion question maybe).

    Senators lack power to actually change much of anything, and most of them (that are considered effective) attempt to solve problems by "holding a meeting."

    Governors put themselves forth as problem solvers, but in MOST states (Jersey is a notable exception), the governor isn't all that powerful either. Yeah, they get credit for things they sign, but even the ability of most governors is limited to their ability to sign something other folks send to them.

    The late Kevin White (mayor of Boston for those who don't know) was advanced as a running mate for McGovern in 1972. The point made in his favor was that mayors take "real action" and are always well-versed on what goes on in their communities. (I'm not quite sure how this would apply to a nation of over 300 million people fwiw). NYC Mayor John Lindsay actually tried for the nomination that year (as I'm sure you recall far better than I) and flopped. His sales pitch was basically, "A mayor knows what it's like to choose between a new library and increasing law enforcement salary."


    GHW Bush had more experience than any man in the 20th century who ran for the office. Congress. Businessman. Military hero. Party chairman. CIA director. Vice President.

    But he was the worst public speaker who was ever elected President in my lifetime (until the current bozo). If he was not VP, it is highly unlikely the man ever would have been elected President by the voters because it's doubtful he could have won a nomination where he didn't start with a huge advantage.

    History will treat him much better than the voters did, but the most qualified guy (on paper) we had wasn't wanted, either in 1988 or 1992. He won because the Democrats lost an election they probably should have won, thanks to yet another clueless Massachusetts pol who couldn't communicate with anyone else from outside the state. (In retrospect, Dukakis was a better person than he was a candidate - just like the guy who beat him).


    So many folks want a businessman. Uh, we tried that. Carter was a businessman and failed. Bush 41 was a businessman and failed. Bush 43 was a failed businessman and failed. And no comment necessary on the current businessman.


    Businessmen are used to being dictators and arbitrarily firing obstacles. You can't fire Congress. (And Bush 43 and Trump have wrecked a number of businesses, so I'm unsure of the relevance of their "jobs").

    I think GOP consultant Ed Rollins, who made the mistake of his life working for Perot, said it best. The Presidency is NOT a business job, it's a job of inspirational leadership.

    Given that (imho) the most important job a President has is war/peace, I think Mayor Pete - the military officer - is eminently qualified for that particular aspect. If he's smart enough to know whom to hire for the Cabinet (rather than just use a spoils system), even better.


    Note: I'm NOT advocating for his candidacy, and I concur that it would be better if he had more. But he can't possibly have any less than Colonel Bone Spurs.
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    Re: 2020 Dem POTUS candidate catch all discussion thread

    Quote Originally Posted by CharminTide View Post
    This is an interactive map that shows the Democratic donations so far, broken down by zip code: LINK. Kinda neat.

    Buttigieg is consistently in the top 2 around me, but this is the midwest. Took a quick glance at Alabama, and he's more consistently at #3-4. But whoever lives in 30307 around Atlanta seems to really like him.
    30307 is Midtown Atlanta. You could probably find a whole lot of rainbow flags in that area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DzynKingRTR View Post
    30307 is Midtown Atlanta. You could probably find a whole lot of rainbow flags in that area.
    30307 is little 5 points, inman park, edgewood, part of druid hills, and emory village. an area probably more "progressive" than midtown. midtown is mostly 30308 and 30309.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 92tide View Post
    30307 is little 5 points, inman park, edgewood, part of druid hills, and emory village. an area probably more "progressive" than midtown. midtown is mostly 30308 and 30309.
    My mistake. I don't really know the zip codes very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DzynKingRTR View Post
    My mistake. I don't really know the zip codes very well.
    i did a lot of mapping and planning work around atlanta metro both in grad school and my previous job, so i got to know the delineations of the in-town neighborhoods pretty well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    While in NO WAY do I want to advocate for so-called "inexperience".....what experience actually translates into being a President?

    (Discussion question maybe).

    Senators lack power to actually change much of anything, and most of them (that are considered effective) attempt to solve problems by "holding a meeting."

    Governors put themselves forth as problem solvers, but in MOST states (Jersey is a notable exception), the governor isn't all that powerful either. Yeah, they get credit for things they sign, but even the ability of most governors is limited to their ability to sign something other folks send to them.

    The late Kevin White (mayor of Boston for those who don't know) was advanced as a running mate for McGovern in 1972. The point made in his favor was that mayors take "real action" and are always well-versed on what goes on in their communities. (I'm not quite sure how this would apply to a nation of over 300 million people fwiw). NYC Mayor John Lindsay actually tried for the nomination that year (as I'm sure you recall far better than I) and flopped. His sales pitch was basically, "A mayor knows what it's like to choose between a new library and increasing law enforcement salary."


    GHW Bush had more experience than any man in the 20th century who ran for the office. Congress. Businessman. Military hero. Party chairman. CIA director. Vice President.

    But he was the worst public speaker who was ever elected President in my lifetime (until the current bozo). If he was not VP, it is highly unlikely the man ever would have been elected President by the voters because it's doubtful he could have won a nomination where he didn't start with a huge advantage.

    History will treat him much better than the voters did, but the most qualified guy (on paper) we had wasn't wanted, either in 1988 or 1992. He won because the Democrats lost an election they probably should have won, thanks to yet another clueless Massachusetts pol who couldn't communicate with anyone else from outside the state. (In retrospect, Dukakis was a better person than he was a candidate - just like the guy who beat him).


    So many folks want a businessman. Uh, we tried that. Carter was a businessman and failed. Bush 41 was a businessman and failed. Bush 43 was a failed businessman and failed. And no comment necessary on the current businessman.


    Businessmen are used to being dictators and arbitrarily firing obstacles. You can't fire Congress. (And Bush 43 and Trump have wrecked a number of businesses, so I'm unsure of the relevance of their "jobs").

    I think GOP consultant Ed Rollins, who made the mistake of his life working for Perot, said it best. The Presidency is NOT a business job, it's a job of inspirational leadership.

    Given that (imho) the most important job a President has is war/peace, I think Mayor Pete - the military officer - is eminently qualified for that particular aspect. If he's smart enough to know whom to hire for the Cabinet (rather than just use a spoils system), even better.


    Note: I'm NOT advocating for his candidacy, and I concur that it would be better if he had more. But he can't possibly have any less than Colonel Bone Spurs.
    I've pondered frequently what exactly the "experience" required for the presidency really is. You'd think two failed businessmen in the last three presidents would put that to rest...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DzynKingRTR View Post
    My mistake. I don't really know the zip codes very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    I've pondered frequently what exactly the "experience" required for the presidency really is. You'd think two failed businessmen in the last three presidents would put that to rest...
    Richard Reeves, who wrote several books on Presidents, used to write a column, and I recall one of the last ones of his I read being his fear that Romney would win because he "looked like a President," but he also said very clearly that there is literally no job on earth that prepares you for being President.

    LBJ might be the greatest Senate majority leader this nation ever had. A mixed bag of major domestic success and horrific foreign policy failure.

    Truman was not a very good businessman, but the reassessing of his tenure has turned him into a near great President. I think Bush 41 will eventually receive somewhat similar (though lesser) acclaim (it's not like Bush had to rebuild Europe....well, not exactly) as time passes, especially as his successors seem smaller by comparison.

    You know, even if the "business man" argument was true, I've never understood the notion that Trump was any sort of whiz bang businessman. Ross Perot WAS a successful businessman, but Rollins nailed him perfectly: "Perot is chemically incapable of delegating. He would have been a disaster. One day he would have been Secretary of Defense, the next day Secretary of Energy."

    In fact, Perot demanded Rollins sign an agreement to never discuss his time with the campaign in exchange for the $600,000 Perot owed him. Rollins refused, saying that he wasn't giving up his First Amendment rights over something Perot had already promised him. He got more in his advance to unload on Perot.

    Most of our "successful businessmen" (Hoover, Carter, Bush 43) were failures as President. Now, I'll be the first to admit that being businessmen was not automatically the reason they failed, but it's an interesting outcome to say the least.
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