Politics: 2020 Dem POTUS candidate catch all discussion thread

92tide said:

people who voted for trump are not the middle.

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You are wrong - I know a whole bunch of people who voted for Trump because they simply would not vote for Hillary.

B1GTide said:

You are wrong - I know a whole bunch of people who voted for Trump because they simply would not vote for Hillary.

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I know people who voted for Trump because they wanted someone other than a politician in charge.

Bazza said:

I know people who voted for Trump because they wanted someone other than a politician in charge.

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I do too - but Trump is as much a politician as anyone that ever ran for office. He is just another type of politician. Those folks were duped by a slogan.

B1GTide said:

You are wrong - I know a whole bunch of people who voted for Trump because they simply would not vote for Hillary.

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so who in the dem primary would those people be willing to vote for?

B1GTide said:

I do too - but Trump is as much a politician as anyone that ever ran for office. He is just another type of politician. Those folks were duped by a slogan.

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yeah, those people were full of it. i would wager a big chunk of them still fully support trump

92tide said:

people who voted for trump are not the middle.

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This is why I think it is critical to have a candidate who doesn't think it is important to work with the GOP in Congress. Sanders is the only one to say it. The DNP's belief in compromise has compromised their party and constituency.

The DNP since Bill Clinton took office is like one continuous stream of Urkel DID I DO THAT?! moments. Compromised with the Right to get free trade deals done in the 90s. Blew out rural and urban industrial economies and replaced them with drug use or student loans to do The New Knowledge Economy. Oops did I do that?! The '97 Medicare changes that included compromises that benefited the phrama industry. In its wake, we've enjoyed the explosive growth of prescription drug costs since then that are increasingly damaging the quality of the employer subsidized healthcare system. Oops did I do that?! ACA being a flimsy boondoggle that hasn't done much to improve affordability of good healthcare. Oops did I do that?!

It is simple not tenable to deal with the GOP in good faith. The only path forward is to be bold and whip your votes. If necessary, have the President find someone willing in your district to primary your ass and then endorse them.

B1GTide said:

I do too - but Trump is as much a politician as anyone that ever ran for office. He is just another type of politician. Those folks were duped by a slogan.

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His background is from construction, development, and the entertainment industry.

Who else has ever had that background that ran for office?

Bazza said:

His background is from construction, development, and the entertainment industry.

Who else has ever had that background that ran for office?

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Close enough.

92tide said:

so who in the dem primary would those people be willing to vote for?

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A number of people - until Trump, Hillary was the most disliked candidate who ever made it onto a major party ticket.

92tide said:

yeah, those people were full of it. i would wager a big chunk of them still fully support trump

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Of those who fell for that - yeah - they were just looking for a reason to vote GOP.

Bazza said:

His background is from construction, development, and the entertainment industry.

Who else has ever had that background that ran for office?

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OK let me rephrase this.

He's never had the title of President, Vice President, Senator, Representative, Governor, or Mayor.

A lot of voters loved that single aspect.

They hate politicians.

Bazza said:

His background is from construction, development, and the entertainment industry.

Who else has ever had that background that ran for office?

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His background is in raising money for that stuff. He is a politician - always has been.

B1GTide said:

His background is in raising money for that stuff. He is a politician - always has been.

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See my post above yours.

Bazza said:

OK let me rephrase this.

He's never had the title of President, Vice President, Senator, Representative, Governor, or Mayor.

A lot of voters loved that single aspect.

They hate politicians.

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And they were duped.

He was supposed to be an "outsider" who was beholden to no political interests. He is not an "insider", but he is just as beholden as every other politician because he had to raise money just like everyone else, and his money came from the same people as everyone else.

B1GTide said:

And they were duped.

He was supposed to be an "outsider" who was beholden to no political interests. He is not an "insider", but he is just as beholden as every other politician because he had to raise money just like everyone else, and his money came from the same people as everyone else it's just that his money came from the Russians.

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B1GTide said:

And they were duped.

He was supposed to be an "outsider" who was beholden to no political interests. He is not an "insider", but he is just as beholden as every other politician because he had to raise money just like everyone else, and his money came from the same people as everyone else.

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What don't you get. He specifically told them he wasn't a politician, that he was an awesome negotiator and an excellent businessman. What don't you get? HE SAID IT SO IT MUST BE TRUE!

B1GTide said:

And they were duped.

He was supposed to be an "outsider" who was beholden to no political interests. He is not an "insider", but he is just as beholden as every other politician because he had to raise money just like everyone else, and his money came from the same people as everyone else.

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I stated that many people voted for him - because he wasn't a politician.

He's never had the title of President, Vice President, Senator, Representative, Governor, or Mayor.

A lot of voters loved that single aspect.

I've never seen a politician as star of a TV show before.......


Many people hate politicians. And they still do, whether they are duped or not - it doesn't matter.

Bazza said:

I stated that many people voted for him - because he wasn't a politician.

He's never had the title of President, Vice President, Senator, Representative, Governor, or Mayor.

A lot of voters loved that single aspect.

I've never seen a politician as star of a TV show before.......

Many people hate politicians. And they still do, whether they are duped or not - it doesn't matter.

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Guess you never heard of Ronald Reagan.

Bazza said:

Many people hate politicians. And they still do, whether they are duped or not - it doesn't matter.

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Agreed - too late - water under the bridge. But, as was stated earlier, anyone that fell for that was voting GOP anyway.

They were just looking for something to tell their friends - they could say "I voted for Trump because I hate politicians and he isn't one" instead of telling their friends, I voted for Trump because "voting for Hillary" or "voting for a Decocrat" was not an option.