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    Re: 2020 Dem POTUS candidate catch all discussion thread

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    I wish I shared your optimism. But I think the cult will move on to whoever is anointed his successor. If he loses in 2020, he will scream foul and the masses will believe him. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ran in 2024 if he loses next year.


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    You may be right. Time will tell. So far, all he's shown is that the same people who voted for George Wallace for president are still out there, wanting someone who will feed them the same stuff...
    many of the folks that attempted and failed to dismantle the federal government during w's tenure are giving it another go and realize they can keep the base riled up with hyper nationalistic crap, racism, and religious zeal while they are making money hand over fist. i don't see them voluntarily backing down.
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    Re: 2020 Dem POTUS candidate catch all discussion thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 92tide View Post
    many of the folks that attempted and failed to dismantle the federal government during w's tenure are giving it another go and realize they can keep the base riled up with hyper nationalistic crap, racism, and religious zeal while they are making money hand over fist. i don't see them voluntarily backing down.
    When your lead conservative thinkers are people like Steven Crowder and Ben Shapiro, then you know what kinda candidates you can expect. Love or hate William Buckley, at least you can say he for the most part kept some rational thought within the conservative movement.
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    When your lead conservative thinkers are people like Steven Crowder and Ben Shapiro, then you know what kinda candidates you can expect. Love or hate William Buckley, at least you can say he for the most part he kept some rational thought within the conservative movement.
    Buckley at least kept his arguments within factual knowledge.

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    Buckley at least kept his arguments within factual knowledge.
    Buckley:
    a) recanted of his racism (found in a few of his earlier writings)
    b) repudiated the anti-Semitism of Patrick Buchanan BY NAME
    c) was so put out with liberal Republican Lowell Weicker, the CT Senator in his home state, that he went out and got a Democrat named Joe Liebermann to run again Weicker because Joe was more malleable and "to the right" as a moderate Dem than Weicker was a Rep.
    d) debated even his "own side" on issues important to him (ex: Reagan on the Panama Canal)

    Whether you liked him or hated him, he acted on principle as did Krauthammer and George Will (both of whom left the GOP along with Tom Nichols)


    There are no principles left from the former party of principle.


    Earle's comments are similar to mine and quite frankly similar to what Ronald Reagan said about the Democrats when he left: "I didn't leave them, they left me."

    Buckley would probably despise Trump as much as any poster on this board does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    Buckley would probably despise Trump as much as any poster on this board does.
    I think it breaks down on an intellectual basis. What I mean by that is that over the past 20 years, the right has consistently bashed intellectuals, as being 'The Elite.' To them there are no greater destroyers of "American Values" than college educated coastal elites. It is why polls are showing things like "59% of Republicans Now Think College Is Bad for America" When a group demonizes intelligence and institutions that help people grow their intellectual skills, is it any surprise that intellectuals leave that group? The Republican Party won't be able to get back the momentum in its current form, because the people that could affect meaningful change within are going to be immediately ostracized due to possessing the very thing that many in the Republican Party celebrate not having.

    I am not trying to get into a Republicans = Dumb, Democrats = Smart argument here. To put it succinctly, you can't use something as an insult (intellectualism), and be surprised that the group using the insult slowly culls itself of members that exhibit that trait.
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    Buckley was a hoot to watch argue something. He had the strangest mannerisms and facial expressions. Sometimes it would get so bizarre I would find myself wondering if he was making fun of himself with all those odd faces he used to make. Either that, or he was just delighted over his own brilliance and couldn't contain himself.

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    Re: 2020 Dem POTUS candidate catch all discussion thread

    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    Buckley:
    a) recanted of his racism (found in a few of his earlier writings)
    b) repudiated the anti-Semitism of Patrick Buchanan BY NAME
    c) was so put out with liberal Republican Lowell Weicker, the CT Senator in his home state, that he went out and got a Democrat named Joe Liebermann to run again Weicker because Joe was more malleable and "to the right" as a moderate Dem than Weicker was a Rep.
    d) debated even his "own side" on issues important to him (ex: Reagan on the Panama Canal)

    Whether you liked him or hated him, he acted on principle as did Krauthammer and George Will (both of whom left the GOP along with Tom Nichols)


    There are no principles left from the former party of principle.


    Earle's comments are similar to mine and quite frankly similar to what Ronald Reagan said about the Democrats when he left: "I didn't leave them, they left me."

    Buckley would probably despise Trump as much as any poster on this board does.
    You forgot that he would not support or endorse David Duke in key races in Louisiana. Many Duke supporters point to that as the reason he lost, and that he got HW to say "Duke was unfit to be in office" (which is correct)
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    Re: 2020 Dem POTUS candidate catch all discussion thread

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    You forgot that he would not support or endorse David Duke in key races in Louisiana. Many Duke supporters point to that as the reason he lost, and that he got HW to say "Duke was unfit to be in office" (which is correct)
    I didn't know Buckley did but that doesn't surprise me.
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    Re: 2020 Dem POTUS candidate catch all discussion thread

    Warren proposes a "two cent wealth tax" and I like it a lot.

    The wealth tax would not apply to the first 50 million a person makes in a year, but every dollar made over that amount would have a two cent tax. If some people want to call that a form of socialism I don't care, it sounds like an excellent idea to me.

    And if someone wants to argue this is too harsh on the ultra rich, then let them make their case. I don't imagine there is a lot of sympathy for someone complaining over this.

    It can be fun to speculate what could be done with this windfall. I know Warren's idea of eliminating student loans has given some people pause, especially when they paid their own student loans off. That's understandable. How about we look back at student loans over the past few decades, and use the windfall to reimburse loan-shark interest rates everybody was forced to pay?

    There are all kinds of ideas for the type money this tax would generate, and they all seem like a stronger argument than Grover's rule of no taxes, no matter the circumstances.

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    Re: 2020 Dem POTUS candidate catch all discussion thread

    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    Buckley:
    a) recanted of his racism (found in a few of his earlier writings)
    b) repudiated the anti-Semitism of Patrick Buchanan BY NAME
    c) was so put out with liberal Republican Lowell Weicker, the CT Senator in his home state, that he went out and got a Democrat named Joe Liebermann to run again Weicker because Joe was more malleable and "to the right" as a moderate Dem than Weicker was a Rep.
    d) debated even his "own side" on issues important to him (ex: Reagan on the Panama Canal)

    Whether you liked him or hated him, he acted on principle as did Krauthammer and George Will (both of whom left the GOP along with Tom Nichols)


    There are no principles left from the former party of principle.


    Earle's comments are similar to mine and quite frankly similar to what Ronald Reagan said about the Democrats when he left: "I didn't leave them, they left me."

    Buckley would probably despise Trump as much as any poster on this board does.
    I was a subscriber to The National Review while Buckley was running the place. Great writers (Florence King, P J O'Rourke, et. al.).

    Now, it is just another right-wing rag.

    Buckley had a lot of class and intellect. Something completely lacking in today's Republican Party. They have no soul They just want to win and stay in power by any means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Its On A Slab View Post
    I was a subscriber to The National Review while Buckley was running the place. Great writers (Florence King, P J O'Rourke, et. al.).

    Now, it is just another right-wing rag.

    Buckley had a lot of class and intellect. Something completely lacking in today's Republican Party. They have no soul They just want to win and stay in power by any means.
    also a former subscriber

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    Re: 2020 Dem POTUS candidate catch all discussion thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Its On A Slab View Post
    I was a subscriber to The National Review while Buckley was running the place. Great writers (Florence King, P J O'Rourke, et. al.).

    Now, it is just another right-wing rag.

    Buckley had a lot of class and intellect. Something completely lacking in today's Republican Party. They have no soul They just want to win and stay in power by any means.
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