And he will disappear as soon as the Dems can offer an honest, consistent non-corporatist candidate who can inspire people to vote. If there’s one in the group so far, I haven’t seen him or her.
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what makes you think bernie can inspire people to vote? he hasn't really demonstrated that.
At some point in your political career (I think he is there) you need to hang up running for president. I think he would do more good finding someone like him except younger and endorse them. Also being their for advice would be nice. I actually do not like most of his ideas, but if I were trying to get someone with his ideas into office I would use him as a mentor and have a different person be the face.
Democrats tend to be more emotional. If you slight "their" guy, I think you end up with more of the same as 2016. I believe there were a lot of Sanders voters that felt so betrayed by the DNC nominee process that their vote, if they voted, converted to "anyone but Clinton."
Poll: 1 in 4 Sanders supporters won't vote for Clinton
Wikipedia page for 2016 DNC primaries
13,206,428 Votes for Sanders in the various Democratic primaries. If 25% of those people really didn't vote for Clinton, that's 3,301,607 votes that she missed out on. I don't have any way of determining just how those people polled, actually voted in the presidential race, that would have pushed Clinton's popular vote total up another 3M for a total of 6M above Trump.
Take a look at Michigan: 598,943 votes for Sanders. 25% of that is 149,735. Hillary lost Michigan by only 10,704 votes.
I imagine you could find a trend for many of the states she lost that she considered a lock.
Poll: 1 in 4 Sanders supporters won't vote for Clinton
Wikipedia page for 2016 DNC primaries
13,206,428 Votes for Sanders in the various Democratic primaries. If 25% of those people really didn't vote for Clinton, that's 3,301,607 votes that she missed out on. I don't have any way of determining just how those people polled, actually voted in the presidential race, that would have pushed Clinton's popular vote total up another 3M for a total of 6M above Trump.
Take a look at Michigan: 598,943 votes for Sanders. 25% of that is 149,735. Hillary lost Michigan by only 10,704 votes.
I imagine you could find a trend for many of the states she lost that she considered a lock.
aside from his age, i don't think he would make it very far in the primaries. he has a history of flaming out pretty spectacularly.
I see the consistent opposition to Biden here based on his earlier campaigns when he had not been VP for two terms. The question I would ask why would we consider Biden as too old versus a completely overweight Trump at some stage of mental impairment at apx. 75 in 2020? Then there is Bernie Sanders of a similar age.
The question of Biden's physical/mental capability is a worthy one but I will take him over
Trump any time!
On January 20, 2021:
Trump will be 74
Biden will be 78
Sanders will be 79
Warren will be 71
Weld will be 75
Hillary Clinton will be 73
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Trump will be 74
Biden will be 78
Sanders will be 79
Warren will be 71
Weld will be 75
Hillary Clinton will be 73
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I'll admit that it concerns me. I'll be 80 later this year and, despite all my surgeries, etc., I'm in as general good health as anyone else my age. I would worry about stamina. OTOH, if I were allowed to come to work at 11:00 AM like trump and just watch TV until then, like he does, I probably could do it. My work day started at 7:30 AM today, yesterday being a holiday. It's worth remembering that Konrad Adenauer took over as chancellor of West Germany in 1949 at the age of 73 - and held that post until 1963...
I switched dermatologists yesterday. (The old one missed my basal cell cancer.) I mentioned something about 80-year old skin and it visibly startled her and she said she would have placed me around 60. She's 62 herself, so she thought we were about the same age... 
No way, man. 3rd party voters cost Clinton her rightful place on the throne, not lazy and disenchanted dems.
She was - and is - an unattractive candidate. You would think that the alternative candidate, Trump, would be enough to get people off their rumps and to the polls. Anyone who thinks that vastly underrates the inertia of the American voter...
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