Politics: 2020 Dem POTUS candidate catch all discussion thread
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Honestly, if Bernie doesn't get the nom and Trump winning in 2020 would kill this crap centrist old guard democratic party then I'd have to consider it for a second.
Gotta go left my friend. They gonna learn the lesson one way or another. These people aren't entitled to vote for a party that offers nothing for them.
I hear you. I just don't think the country or world gets a do-over after 2020.
If Bernie supporters care about, say, climate change as much as they claim to, then it's nonsensical to vote for a party that denies it over one that proposes immediate action. If Bernie supporters care about universal health care as much as they claim to, it's absurd to help the party that's actively trying to take healthcare away from millions at the expense of the one committed to universal coverage.
It's easy to claim that the mean "centrist" Dems have done nothing for those to further to the left. But when those same centrists align with nearly all your goals and you still support the other side out of pure spite, the problem isn't their "centrism;" it's your (plural) extremism. I'm watching Bernie supporters look and talk more and more like Trump supporters, and it's sad.
They might just sound the same because they have fire in their belly for the causes they believe regardless if they're founded or unfounded. That is the problem centrism has when the country is appreciably not getting better for half or more of the population. The democrats are the ones that need to choose sides in my opinion. Either keep on heading down the path of just being the smooth-talking fasc-enablers or adopt a more democratic socialist agenda. There is no splitting the middle in this fight which is what has been paralyzing the main body of the DNP.
Where we might disagree is that I think several of the more serious candidates are adopting a somewhat democratic socialist agenda. IMO Bernie, Warren, and Buttigieg fall into that camp (in descending order perhaps), which is three of the top 5 in most polls.
Another point -- the big one -- where we differ is your conviction that we'll get another chance to solve the problems that are important to these more left-leaning candidates if Trump wins 4 more years. I don't think we do.
I agree with you on that fact that the most viable candidates are known or seeming progressive candidates. I'm worried of somebody like Biden swooping in and hoodwinking enough people into another big promise-little delivery centrist presidency. That will just assure in the near future that we get somebody like Trump, a naked fascist, but with the ability to effectively frame his opinions so people fall in line (or that the opposition just gives up after another failed democratic presidency).
Amazing to consider having a president who cares enough to speak multiple languages. Common in other countries, but so rare here...
I remember other heads of state offering condolences and support after 9/11. It was always delivered in English.
To be fair, English is the international language, but I get your meaning.
I can't recall the last time we had a president who could communicate fluently in other languages.
I really don't know much about PB's politics, though I assume I'll likely not agree with much of them. That said, I'm fairly desperate for someone intelligent in the WH, even if i don't agree with them on some issues.
Finally got a chance to watch Bernie's Fox town hall.
Frankly, it was really awkward especially in the beginning. The Fox commentators asked some IMO unfair questions. Bernie certainly could have handled them better though. I think his personality turns some people off. It definitely isn't my favorite even though I tend to look past it because I agree with a lot of his policy ideas and appreciate his fighter mentality.
Overall I don't think its a town hall that is going to change anyones mind. People who like Bernie will still like him and people who can't stand him probably feel like they were right about him. It didn't move the needle in either direction for me except to maybe confirm that he is one of the 3-4 candidates I would be happy to support in a general election.
I do think Bernie vs Trump debates would be awful to listen to.
Frankly, it was really awkward especially in the beginning. The Fox commentators asked some IMO unfair questions. Bernie certainly could have handled them better though. I think his personality turns some people off. It definitely isn't my favorite even though I tend to look past it because I agree with a lot of his policy ideas and appreciate his fighter mentality.
Overall I don't think its a town hall that is going to change anyones mind. People who like Bernie will still like him and people who can't stand him probably feel like they were right about him. It didn't move the needle in either direction for me except to maybe confirm that he is one of the 3-4 candidates I would be happy to support in a general election.
I do think Bernie vs Trump debates would be awful to listen to.
On the topic of Pete speaking a bunch of languages...
I love the onion sometimes.
Pete Buttigieg Stuns Campaign Crowd By Speaking To Manufacturing Robots In Fluent Binary
I love the onion sometimes.
And here I am hopeful that our current president would at least occasionally speak fluent English.
Ill never be able to look at Bernie seriously and not be able to see Larry David...
Kind of difficult for him to speak fluent English when his vocabulary is +- 40 words.
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