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There are many Republicans in this country somewhere between the far right wing, evangelical, racist, white nationalists, trump base and the moderate bases of both parties. These Republicans are not supporters of trump and are appalled by his actions as President and lack of any morals, but would stay home and not cast a ballot were Bernie the Democratic nominee. My gut feeling is that they would vote for Biden certainly over Bernie or any candidate perceived to be a socialist or too far to the left, and vote for Biden over trump out of a sense of shame for what trump has done to our country. I may be wrong, I hope I am not and, that my gut feeling isn't just GAS.
 
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There are many Republicans in this country somewhere between the far right wing, evangelical, racist, white nationalists, trump base and the moderate bases of both parties. These Republicans are not supporters of trump and are appalled by his actions as President and lack of any morals, but would stay home and not cast a ballot were Bernie the Democratic nominee. My gut feeling is that they would vote for Biden certainly over Bernie or any candidate perceived to be a socialist or too far to the left, and vote for Biden over trump out of a sense of shame for what trump has done to our country. I may be wrong, I hope I am not and, that my gut feeling isn't just GAS.
My wife and I were Reagan/ Bush Sr. Republicans but were driven off by the Bush Jr. administration. We would vote for anyone against Trump but would prefer a moderate who comprehends the political and fiscal realities ahead of the country. There will be a massive job ahead avoiding the looming fiscal catastrophe and repairing the foreign relations debacle that Trump is busily creating without attempting to undertake massive change without the political capital required.
 

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There are many Republicans in this country somewhere between the far right wing, evangelical, racist, white nationalists, trump base and the moderate bases of both parties. These Republicans are not supporters of trump and are appalled by his actions as President and lack of any morals, but would stay home and not cast a ballot were Bernie the Democratic nominee. My gut feeling is that they would vote for Biden certainly over Bernie or any candidate perceived to be a socialist or too far to the left, and vote for Biden over trump out of a sense of shame for what trump has done to our country. I may be wrong, I hope I am not and, that my gut feeling isn't just GAS.
I think there are four huge problems with Bernie:

1) His ideas are just about as up in the air as Trumps. (basically no meat for a hamburger)

2) He is either going to have to start rejecting folks like AOC or start doubling down on their points. AOC doesn't concern me personally because I just take her as just someone that has no idea of what she is doing, but thinks she is better than what she is. But the problem is she has lately started talking about very controversial stuff that could really damage the progressive candidates if not answered in a certain way. Last week she was all over the news for saying "there shouldn't be a concern with fixing the VA because it isn't broken". Well A) the VA is a far more complicated issue than what many think and B) there are a lot of people that strongly believe the VA is screwed up to include many Democrats.

3) Bernie's whole message is can pretty much about a socialist economy. I think he will have a harder time winning the MW than many think, and I wouldn't be surprised if he is in for the fight of his life in states that Hillary carried. I just think he is that back up qb candidate.

4) He would unite the Republicans. I think someone that extreme to the left is going to have a "silent tory" movement going against him. Personally I think we really need someone closer to a Biden candidate that can bring more mainstream conservatives and non party conservatives over.
 

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He just sent a huge signal to his base. He skipped over congratulating Murray, the #1 pick in the NFL draft, and congratulated Bosa, on being the #2 pic. Bosa, of course, is white...
 

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From a poll issued in January of 2018. This show that the largest percentage, 39%, of Americans describes themselves as neither Liberal or Conservative. If you assume that this 39% are mostly moderates then they would more than likely prefer Biden over Bernie.

"When asked to describe their political views as "very conservative, conservative, moderate, liberal, or very liberal," 35 percent of American adults in 2017 identified as conservative, while 26 identified as liberal".
 

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He just sent a huge signal to his base. He skipped over congratulating Murray, the #1 pick in the NFL draft, and congratulated Bosa, on being the #2 pic. Bosa, of course, is white...
Not only is trump a non-politician, he is a man totally lacking Christian values having broken all 10 of the Commandments, is a practicing white supremacist, a Luddite and flat worlder who does not accept (or, more likely, does not understand) global warning, and is overall a terrible excuse for a human being.
 

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From a poll issued in January of 2018. This show that the largest percentage, 39%, of Americans describes themselves as neither Liberal or Conservative. If you assume that this 39% are mostly moderates then they would more than likely prefer Biden over Bernie.

"When asked to describe their political views as "very conservative, conservative, moderate, liberal, or very liberal," 35 percent of American adults in 2017 identified as conservative, while 26 identified as liberal".
These percentages don't surprise me at all. About the only way the Democrats can screw this one up is to let the party be dragged too far left, or tear itself in pieces, trying to find its direction...
 

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These percentages don't surprise me at all. About the only way the Democrats can screw this one up is to let the party be dragged too far left, or tear itself in pieces, trying to find its direction...
Which they probably will.


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The genius pair Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman making news again

literally

This time, they tried to get a Gay Republican to claim that he was sexually assaulted by Pete Buttigieg

https://www.thedailybeast.com/far-r...e-pete-buttigieg-with-bogus-sex-assault-claim


dude thought it was sketchy so he recorded it and said no so the pair seemingly just posted the allegation as him

recall these are the same two that tried to do this to Mueller and Avanati (though Avanati did it to himself too)
 

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Which they probably will.
They're off to a rollicking good start at getting Trump re-elected.

Impeachment
Reparations
Anita Hill
Busing
Free college


One thing that has impressed me so far is Klobuchar's willingness to actually say "no" to some things (e.g admitting that wiping away 1.5 trillion in student loan debt is unrealistic for starters).

Of course, nobody outside of Minnesota is going to remember her thirty years from now, either.

Biden, too, may get caught up in his attempt to "keep it real."
 

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The genius pair Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman making news again

literally

This time, they tried to get a Gay Republican to claim that he was sexually assaulted by Pete Buttigieg

https://www.thedailybeast.com/far-r...e-pete-buttigieg-with-bogus-sex-assault-claim


dude thought it was sketchy so he recorded it and said no so the pair seemingly just posted the allegation as him

recall these are the same two that tried to do this to Mueller and Avanati (though Avanati did it to himself too)
I think Buttigieg needs to answer questions at an open press conference about this
 

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Not only is trump a non-politician, he is a man totally lacking Christian values having broken all 10 of the Commandments, is a practicing white supremacist, a Luddite and flat worlder who does not accept (or, more likely, does not understand) global warning, and is overall a terrible excuse for a human being.
I doubt he ever made a graven image.
 

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From a poll issued in January of 2018. This show that the largest percentage, 39%, of Americans describes themselves as neither Liberal or Conservative. If you assume that this 39% are mostly moderates then they would more than likely prefer Biden over Bernie.

"When asked to describe their political views as "very conservative, conservative, moderate, liberal, or very liberal," 35 percent of American adults in 2017 identified as conservative, while 26 identified as liberal".
The reality is that the country about 1/3 of each. Those numbers don't surprise me because there's a larger number of liberals who think they're centrists than there are conservatives who think they're centrist (simply look at the non-Fox News media).

The binary parties have a floor. The Democrats could nominate Stalin, and he'd get at least 38% of the vote. Remember that Mondale - as horrific a beating as he got - still got 40% of the vote despite losing by nearly 17 million ballots and carrying only one state plus DC. Goldwater go 38 and Bush 1992 got 37. My goodness, Alf Landon in the depths of the Great Depression where it was better to be dead than Republican got 36.5%. So basically there's a floor of right at 37-40% even for the most hapless candidates. The Democrats could nominate Roy Moore for President (yes - I said the Democrats) and he'd still get about 38% of the vote, maybe more. The Republicans could nominate Pelosi, same thing.


But Bernie Sanders brings a completely different problem.....namely, as 92tide keeps pointing out.....he's NOT a Democrat!!! This is the kind of thing that could cause all kinds of problems in Convention assembled.

My take on Biden is not that he's an irresponsible choice - he's not. In fact, I think he's a good choice. I also think he's the kind of guy who if nominated will see young people do the same old "ah, he's an old white guy like Trump."

The other place where - respectfully - I think your analysis is incorrect. In a world located inside a vacuum and consisting primarily of logical people without cognitive dissonance, I think you're spot on.

But that's not the world in which we all reside (and despite some legitimate carping about some of Trump's base, this is NOT just a right-wing rubes problem). In both 2008 and 2012, comedians were able to make hay by asking folks who they were for and then reciting the positions of the opposite candidate. In 08, it was Obama voters I saw make complete fools of themselves, several voting for him (or saying they were) because "he's pro-life." In 2012, the same skit was used on Romney voters with the same results.

Unfortunately, most of the safe and electable politicians cannot get the nomination (see Muskie 72, Bayh 76, Bush 80, Gephardt 88, Kerrey 92, McCain 2000, Edwards 04).
 

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The genius pair Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman making news again

literally

This time, they tried to get a Gay Republican to claim that he was sexually assaulted by Pete Buttigieg

https://www.thedailybeast.com/far-r...e-pete-buttigieg-with-bogus-sex-assault-claim


dude thought it was sketchy so he recorded it and said no so the pair seemingly just posted the allegation as him

recall these are the same two that tried to do this to Mueller and Avanati (though Avanati did it to himself too)
This is wild.
 

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U.S. President Donald Trump, three of his children, as well as the Trump Organization sued Deutsche Bank and Capital One in an effort to block the banks from responding to congressional subpoenas

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The reality is that the country about 1/3 of each. Those numbers don't surprise me because there's a larger number of liberals who think they're centrists than there are conservatives who think they're centrist (simply look at the non-Fox News media).

The binary parties have a floor. The Democrats could nominate Stalin, and he'd get at least 38% of the vote. Remember that Mondale - as horrific a beating as he got - still got 40% of the vote despite losing by nearly 17 million ballots and carrying only one state plus DC. Goldwater go 38 and Bush 1992 got 37. My goodness, Alf Landon in the depths of the Great Depression where it was better to be dead than Republican got 36.5%. So basically there's a floor of right at 37-40% even for the most hapless candidates. The Democrats could nominate Roy Moore for President (yes - I said the Democrats) and he'd still get about 38% of the vote, maybe more. The Republicans could nominate Pelosi, same thing.


But Bernie Sanders brings a completely different problem.....namely, as 92tide keeps pointing out.....he's NOT a Democrat!!! This is the kind of thing that could cause all kinds of problems in Convention assembled.

My take on Biden is not that he's an irresponsible choice - he's not. In fact, I think he's a good choice. I also think he's the kind of guy who if nominated will see young people do the same old "ah, he's an old white guy like Trump."

The other place where - respectfully - I think your analysis is incorrect. In a world located inside a vacuum and consisting primarily of logical people without cognitive dissonance, I think you're spot on.

But that's not the world in which we all reside (and despite some legitimate carping about some of Trump's base, this is NOT just a right-wing rubes problem). In both 2008 and 2012, comedians were able to make hay by asking folks who they were for and then reciting the positions of the opposite candidate. In 08, it was Obama voters I saw make complete fools of themselves, several voting for him (or saying they were) because "he's pro-life." In 2012, the same skit was used on Romney voters with the same results.

Unfortunately, most of the safe and electable politicians cannot get the nomination (see Muskie 72, Bayh 76, Bush 80, Gephardt 88, Kerrey 92, McCain 2000, Edwards 04).
Well said, Bill and I do not disagree with anything you have said. I bolded your statement about young people responding "ah, he's an old white guy like Trump". I am not saying this won't be the case, but these young people in their exuberance to get a younger or more left leaning candidate elected, have to face the current political reality of which "old white guy" will try to further their agenda. What kind of President do they want, one with morals, or one without, one who will try to unite the country or one who will do every thing he can do to further divide the country. If they simply throw up their hands, don't vote and say it doesn't matter which "old white guy" wins then they will, by default, guarantee another four years of Trump.

I personally would prefer a younger candidate, but as I see it right now I don't think any other Dem can beat Trump. As you will obviously recall my position is beating Trump is all that matters in this election cycle.
 
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