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    If I lived in a swing state I have held my nose and voted for Clinton in 2016.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 81usaf92 View Post
    You do realize the real progressives in the early 19th century were high on the ideas of eugenics right, and Hitler was highly influenced by their ideas of a master race. So there are huge leftist ideas that influenced Hitler and the third Reich.

    I don’t think you realize how and why Nazism rose in the first place. It really wasn’t a “virus” as much as a defibrillator bringing back a body that was near death. The German people mostly fought and rejected Nazism until it was a better option than the option they had. An option they were forced to take, not by a right leaning regime but by liberal powers that forced upon Germany a massive war debt that took nearly 100 years to pay off and a stock market crash.

    You can blame Hitler and the far right for the atrocities that happened in WWII but you have to blame the Democratic socialists for WWII happening and Hitler rising to power.

    Point is fascism only happens either in hard times or when the left has pushed too far left. I don’t see us being there... yet. Yes there are fascist ideas out there, but at this point they are no more influential than Bernie’s socialism. The real danger with Trump is that he could potentially set the field for a real fascist down the line to declare himself “emperor”, dictator, king, etc.
    Fair point but I'd note that just as the American Left as displayed by this topic is not a homogeneous ideological unit. The same was true amongst 19th century progressives. The eugenics movement was popular amongst the middle to upper class. I doubt unionizing coal miners framed their progressive ideology around it because I'm sure many of their skulls and somatotypes were problematic according to the race [pseudo-]science movement at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rgw View Post
    Fair point but I'd note that just as the American Left as displayed by this topic is not a homogeneous ideological unit. The same was true amongst 19th century progressives..
    But the same can be said about the Right. The Catholic Church's opposition against the eugenics movement kinda proves that the Far Right isn't always the same.

    The point is that Hitler wasn't just influenced by Lost Cause veterans of the American Civil War who tried to win back the country, he was equally influenced by progressives like Teddy Roosevelt who were big believers of a master race.

    Quote Originally Posted by rgw View Post
    The eugenics movement was popular amongst the middle to upper class. I doubt unionizing coal miners framed their progressive ideology around it because I'm sure many of their skulls and somatotypes were problematic according to the race [pseudo-]science movement at the time.

    Yeah, but how many politicians here and around the world don't come from the middle and upper class? More importantly, "How many poor people or blue collard workers are elected?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by NationalTitles17 View Post
    Even I would consider voting for the democratic nominee if I was in a state where it mattered.
    Dump the EC!

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    I love when brands try to venture out to get involved in current events. I really love when political candidates do it and donít even come across as genuine.

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    Biden has promised to cure cancer if he is elected.

    Dumb statements like that arenít going to help his campaign.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson1967 View Post
    Biden has promised to cure cancer if he is elected.
    Dumb statements like that aren’t going to help his campaign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obama
    If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan. Source
    Can you guess which quote branded a president as a habitual liar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chanson78 View Post
    Trump got elected by promising to build a wall and making Mexico pay for it.
    At least Biden didn't promise to make cancer pay for the cure.
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    Re: 2020 Dem POTUS candidate catch all discussion thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson1967 View Post
    Biden has promised to cure cancer if he is elected.

    Dumb statements like that aren’t going to help his campaign.


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    With statements like that he is losing the oncologist vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DzynKingRTR View Post
    With statements like that he is losing the oncologist vote.
    Probably lost that before he even declared...
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    Re: 2020 Dem POTUS candidate catch all discussion thread

    The Electoral College thing amuses me.

    Theoretical grounds: It was enacted to keep the big-population states from steamrolling the smaller-population states. In other words, to keep the minority relevant.

    Which is a classically Democratic concept, and without it, the Constitution would never have been ratified.

    Now, with Democrats having huge majorities in New York, California, and to a lesser extent Illinois, they’re all about majority rule. Ignorant of (or conveniently ignoring) the impact that majority rule would have had on their core constituencies up until very recent history.

    Practical amusement: to eliminate the Electoral College, you need to amend the Constitution. Which requires a 2/3 vote of both houses of Congress AND concurrence of the legislatures of 2/3 of the states.

    Congress is such a cesspool, it’s hard to say how they’d vote. I don’t think they’d get 67 senators AND 290 or so members of the House to concur. But it’s such a world unto itself, that might conceivably happen.

    Even if that highly unlikely event materializes, do you really expect that 34 of the 50 state legislatures will effectively cede their voices to New York, California and Illinois? Conversely, do you think that the proponents of the status quo can’t muster 17 state legislatures?

    If you do, I want some of what you’re taking.
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    I love how EC defenders applaud the enshrinement of minority rule as a supposed American ideal. It's especially amusing when one invokes the historical threat of majority rule to minority rights, which requires willful ignorance of the Republican party actively stripping away LGBT rights, reinforcing the institutional inequality for blacks and the poor, and locking brown children in cages at the border.
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