Politics: 2020 Dem POTUS candidate catch all discussion thread

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Gay prejudice certainly exists, but I’m not sure it hurts Buttigieg. Reason is, where it’s a strong factor, no Democrat is going to win regardless of skin color, personal plumbing or who they like to lay their heads next to. Where Democrats run strongly, it wont matter. I don’t think it’ll matter in swing states. Deep red states, yes. But he’s not winning those anyway.

Regarding Bernie and Warren being labeled Socialists: Bernie openly and wholeheartedly says he’s a Socialist. Was given several chances in an interview to back down, and not only didn’t, but doubled down. While I 100% disagree with that philosophy, I have to admire his courage in his convictions.

Warren just acts like a Socialist — Medicare for all, reparations for slavery, forgiveness of college debt, free college tuition. I’m sure there are other goodies she’s after that I just can’t remember.

And while she hasn’t embraced the Socialist label like Bernie, she didn’t come out strongly when asked a straight question: Are you a capitalist? Some hemming and hawing, some ermmming, and an eventual “Yes, but....”

Not exactly the strongest case against being called Socialist.

IOW, Warren and Bernie have done the Socialist label to themselves.

And why she’s doing all that is beyond me. She could win if she had Hillary’s platform. But as I noted in a post above, she’s gone too liberal for Nancy Pelosi, a self-described San Francisco liberal.

Think on that.....so far left, she’s scaring Nancy Pelosi. When she doesn’t have to do that to win. I just have no words.
Great post 4Q, a lot to chew on in your post. I am not sure where I stand right now, at first I was all in on Biden, but am giving Buttigieg a closer look. I honestly do not believe Sanders has a snowball chance in hell, Warren maybe only slightly better. Mayor Pete would make Trump look like a fool in a face to face debate, but whether he can win, I just do not know. I am afraid the momentum is now swinging against the Dems.
 

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Agreed.

Two things just boggle my mind in this election cycle:
1. The Democrats are responding to a generational opportunity by going Socialist — appealing to voters they get anyway, and alienating a ton of others that could get them over the top.
This actually doesn't boggle my mind at all but only because I've seen this movie too many times before.

The hardcore activists in that party have made their candidates's lives a living hell since the primary system became predominant in 1972.

Go look at who WON the White House for the Democrats since then:

1) Carter - they got him because eight liberals were dividing the hardcore vote; to make sure this never happened again, they adopted new rules utilizing super delegates (those had already been there, but they were now given the right to serve as "correctors" to the process). Then keep in mind Carter had a bumbling oaf as an opponent who'd pardoned the crook, had not even been elected - and still came within less than 10,000 votes of winning election in the EC.

2) Clinton - they got him because the big name liberals - Cuomo, Bradley, Jay Rockefeller - all looked at Bush's 91% approval rating and said, "Never mind." Yes, he was the best candidate in that field, but he had so many issue positions that would never have won him the nomination in prior years (pro-death penalty, advocating the cutting of welfare, a wretched environmental record).

3) Obama - a charismatic dynamo with the speech (and a better pol than may realized at the time), but they mostly got him because even the Dems of 2008 saw Hillary and went...."nah!"

In point of fact, experience tells me this level of arrogance is less surprising than it should be. They've been doing this same hardcore act for years. Polls will show them that John Glenn or Gary Hart will be a stronger candidate against Reagan; to hell with them, Mondale has promised us everything - and you know what happened.

Warren won't lose as badly as Mondale but only because Trump wasn't a two-time governor of California.



2. The Republicans are kowtowing to a President who has exactly zero personal credibility and leadership skills insufficient for a Cub Scout den. He’s a vindictive [pick your own non-TF word], but carries no weight except in areas where no Democrat could win anyway. So his support means little or nothing. So why kowtow?
This one makes slightly less sense to me, but it probably should not.

Any deal with Trump is a deal with the devil. You get an empty IOU, and he's laughing at the end.


What we need is a reasonable adult who neither wants to give all the toys to everybody in the country by whatever means, nor responds to every situation with coercion and threats.

I’m not sure those exist anymore.
My Christian friends:
Can't vote for McCain, he's a RINO
Can't vote for Romney, he's a RINO

TRUMP!!!! He's a conservative! (what......the......hell..........)
 

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Just saw that, I guess the Dems are looking for someone to nudge Biden out and are afraid that Warren and Sanders can't sell themselves to the American voters.
 

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I was just sitting there yesterday, saw the Bloomberg news, and my first reaction was, "Ya know, if there's one thing this race is missing it's rich, old, white dudes running for President."

And bam, God heard my musing.....
 

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I was just sitting there yesterday, saw the Bloomberg news, and my first reaction was, "Ya know, if there's one thing this race is missing it's rich, old, white dudes running for President."

And bam, God heard my musing.....
Heck, it wasn't God that answered that prayer, it's more like the devil responded.

Bloomberg needs to open up his wallet and start pounding Trump relentlessly with ads everywhere. Forget about wanting to be President, just do as much damage to Trump's chances as he can.

If he thinks the Dem voters are going to line up behind another billionaire he's nuts.
 

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Heck, it wasn't God that answered that prayer, it's more like the devil responded.

Bloomberg needs to open up his wallet and start pounding Trump relentlessly with ads everywhere. Forget about wanting to be President, just do as much damage to Trump's chances as he can.

If he thinks the Dem voters are going to line up behind another billionaire he's nuts.
Desperation makes people do crazier things than we want to admit.
Trump is proof of that.
 

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Desperation makes people do crazier things than we want to admit.
Trump is proof of that.
I was at lunch today and overheard some people talking about the democratic nominees. It essentially came down to Biden is flailing, Sanders and Warren are amazing if only America would listen not to mention that the game is even more rigged against them than it was against Bernie in 2016, and Pete is effectively everything wrong with the democratic policy because he is running as "the gay one." The end of the discussion was effectively, "I am worried Pete will surge like Obama did, and I don't think I will be able to vote for Pete if he is the nominee."

Bernie bros are still in effect.
 

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I was at lunch today and overheard some people talking about the democratic nominees. It essentially came down to Biden is flailing, Sanders and Warren are amazing if only America would listen not to mention that the game is even more rigged against them than it was against Bernie in 2016, and Pete is effectively everything wrong with the democratic policy because he is running as "the gay one." The end of the discussion was effectively, "I am worried Pete will surge like Obama did, and I don't think I will be able to vote for Pete if he is the nominee."

Bernie bros are still in effect.
It seems like the top 4 (at this time) dems have some political 'baggage' which could make them problematic in a general election:
Warren - too liberal
Bernie - too liberal, age
Biden - age
Buttigieg - gay, age
Whether someone is personally effected by any or all of these, they are problems all 4 will have trying to appeal to moderates and conservatives and in some cases liberals.
While it is difficult seeing anyone losing to Trump, those 4 are nonetheless concerning.
 

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It seems like the top 4 (at this time) dems have some political 'baggage' which could make them problematic in a general election:
Warren - too liberal
Bernie - too liberal, age
Biden - age
Buttigieg - gay, age
Whether someone is personally effected by any or all of these, they are problems all 4 will have trying to appeal to moderates and conservatives and in some cases liberals.
it doesn't matter who the dems put up, the conservative puke funnel will be running at full volume about "baggage".
 

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Said this before and will say it again. None of the current candidates have the appeal (and that includes their campaign positions) that most Americans are looking for.

Except for Joe Biden.

Which is why he is leading.

Now that Bloomberg has entered the picture.....it's my opinion he would be the best candidate of any, including Biden, because he is successful in business life and that does make a difference.

Right now - we are in some interesting times and there are throngs of folks whose vote is up for grabs.

No idea if Bloomberg moves forward but if he does...forget about it. He's in.
 

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Heck, it wasn't God that answered that prayer, it's more like the devil responded.

Bloomberg needs to open up his wallet and start pounding Trump relentlessly with ads everywhere. Forget about wanting to be President, just do as much damage to Trump's chances as he can.

If he thinks the Dem voters are going to line up behind another billionaire he's nuts.
It wasn't meant to be taken literally, but the notion we need yet another rich old white dude is......amusing.

If he runs third party, Trump wins.
 
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