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    Re: 2020 Dem POTUS candidate catch all discussion thread

    Computer science is basically an applied math degree. User experience/User interface is not really a computer science concern. Engineering schools that have CS but not a true SE program tend to produce graduates woefully ill-prepared to implement human user interfaces. This is why companies like Apple and Google have designers and UI/UX specialists that mock up UI down to the pixel and have the engineer implement it. Smaller companies tend to not be able to afford those specialized and expensive soft-skill types and have CS-background engineers mocking up their UI.

    That has been my experience where I've worked and I have reputation for being one of the better frontend guys who actually has full stack credentials. Yet my stuff would not pass muster at a major software concern.
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    That sounds very much like the UK's NHS. I think we're providing, sort of, the basic care plan you suggest now. The problem is it's being provided through the emergency medicine system, the most expensive wasteful method possible...
    er visits for routine, NON-EMERGENCY, care are one of my most frustrating things to deal with as a primary care physician. completely unnecessary, too damned expensive. i can't tell you the number of times we have to ask our pts to call the office, wait a few hours the same day or wait until the following morning so we can work 'em in. but unfortunately a lot of them go to the ER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rgw View Post
    Computer science is basically an applied math degree. User experience/User interface is not really a computer science concern. Engineering schools that have CS but not a true SE program tend to produce graduates woefully ill-prepared to implement human user interfaces. This is why companies like Apple and Google have designers and UI/UX specialists that mock up UI down to the pixel and have the engineer implement it. Smaller companies tend to not be able to afford those specialized and expensive soft-skill types and have CS-background engineers mocking up their UI.

    That has been my experience where I've worked and I have reputation for being one of the better frontend guys who actually has full stack credentials. Yet my stuff would not pass muster at a major software concern.
    Thanks. It's just that I see TurboTax (and use it) and dream of a program to use at work that functions in a similarly Intuitive manner. I usually don't count the number of clicks it takes to get to a critical point like a former coworker did but on occasion I do and it's ridiculous. There seems to be zero understanding of what or how I do what I do. I've used four or five systems in my career and this has remained true with each one, with some better than others. With billion$$$ at play it shouldn't be this way.
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    Re: 2020 Dem POTUS candidate catch all discussion thread

    Quote Originally Posted by rgw View Post
    Computer science is basically an applied math degree. User experience/User interface is not really a computer science concern. Engineering schools that have CS but not a true SE program tend to produce graduates woefully ill-prepared to implement human user interfaces. This is why companies like Apple and Google have designers and UI/UX specialists that mock up UI down to the pixel and have the engineer implement it. Smaller companies tend to not be able to afford those specialized and expensive soft-skill types and have CS-background engineers mocking up their UI.

    That has been my experience where I've worked and I have reputation for being one of the better frontend guys who actually has full stack credentials. Yet my stuff would not pass muster at a major software concern.
    I almost got into fullstack about 4 years ago, after I got laid-off by Big Pharma. I spent the next 2-3 months learnng Ruby on Rails, and getting ready for a 12 week intensive bootcamp.

    But I ended up finding another job in my previous/current career: iSeries implementations.

    I always wondered what would have happened if I had stayed in that direction. But since I'm nearing retirement, I figure age discrimination would have been in the picture.

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    The 12 week bootcamp where they teach ruby on rails MVC and javascript is indicative of what I'm saying about how ill-suited the academic academy is at producing a productive employee. Academia is about creating thinkers and while that makes a college grad a good generalist and learner it doesn't necessarily provide skills when skills are needed more than capacity to acquire skills.

    When you call for a HVAC guy at your house, you don't want somebody to come in and spend a few days or weeks or months figuring out how central heat and air works. This is effectively what employers face with the typical college graduate. They've got somebody who has the F-250 with all the tools and equipment they need to do the job save the practical applied skills to actually do it.

    And I've spent most of my life around academia other than a brief stint in the guard in active duty status but I reckon that was just enough to see the blind spot in the academia-as-professional-development model.
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    Re: 2020 Dem POTUS candidate catch all discussion thread

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    cost of higher education, IMO, should be borne by the individual getting that education.
    Not when the jobs they are training for don’t pay enough to pay off their loan debt.


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    Not when the jobs they are training for don’t pay enough to pay off their loan debt.


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    Think about that for a minute....

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    Again, I will reiterate:

    In 1971, my eldest brother asked me to come work for him in California. He said I could still go to college out there TUITION FREE (for California residents). Any state college.
    Well, actually there were “fees” totaling less than $200 per year.
    Tuition at South Alabama was around 800 a year and there were also some fees IIRC.
    So if y’all want to “Make America Great Again”, let’s go back to when it was at least better than it is now. But don’t act like college was never tuition-free.


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    Re: 2020 Dem POTUS candidate catch all discussion thread

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    Think about that for a minute....
    So everybody’s gonna be a doctor?
    Who’s gonna teach your children?


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    Re: 2020 Dem POTUS candidate catch all discussion thread

    Quote Originally Posted by twofbyc View Post
    So everybody’s gonna be a doctor?
    Who’s gonna teach your children?


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    Ok, but that is a choice to enter that profession. You chose to do it knowing what the pay scales are. Now, you expect some relief because you chose a low paying profession? Don't get me wrong, my mom was a teacher. Many of my friends are teachers. The wages are scandalous. But it was their choice.

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    I mean I feel like this is tilting at the windmills instead of the real problems. Costs have exploded and wages have stagnated...that is the story of this country ever since the 1970s. Education has been one of the particularly high cost explosions since 1997 too. 1997 seems to be the moment when most in the mainstream were realizing the bad deal given to the middle class by NAFTA as it destroyed entire communities either by the departure of employers or brow-beaten labor taken increasingly untenable bargains with ownership to keep their jobs. Let us not forget that the dream sold to every American was to let the blue collar jobs go because all your kids will be working in the knowledge economy after they go get degrees. Nobody in the mainstream was checking the patented lies of the NAFTA bargain or the desk-job-knowledge-economy farce back then and it isn't like an 18 year-old has the frame of reference to beat BS propaganda that even full grown adults fall for on the regular.
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    Re: 2020 Dem POTUS candidate catch all discussion thread

    Quote Originally Posted by rgw View Post
    The 12 week bootcamp where they teach ruby on rails MVC and javascript is indicative of what I'm saying about how ill-suited the academic academy is at producing a productive employee. Academia is about creating thinkers and while that makes a college grad a good generalist and learner it doesn't necessarily provide skills when skills are needed more than capacity to acquire skills.

    When you call for a HVAC guy at your house, you don't want somebody to come in and spend a few days or weeks or months figuring out how central heat and air works. This is effectively what employers face with the typical college graduate. They've got somebody who has the F-250 with all the tools and equipment they need to do the job save the practical applied skills to actually do it.

    And I've spent most of my life around academia other than a brief stint in the guard in active duty status but I reckon that was just enough to see the blind spot in the academia-as-professional-development model.
    The ironic thing is that my undergrad degree is in liberal arts.

    When I bailed on law school in my early 20s, I had no real marketable skills. So I looked at going to grad school, but then (early 1980s) I learned that computer careers were taking off.

    Ended up working as a computer operator on Burroughs systems at a bank, midnight shift, and taking computer programming courses at a community college. Got my break in state govt., where most people got their start. Never looked back.

    Oddly enough, having a college degree helped me get jobs. Because many job listings required a college degree, and I knew plenty of very smart people who were held back from many jobs because they didn't finish college.

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