Definitely can't deny that...there is some play on how much all this matters but I think it is indisputable it matters when it is close.
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Yep, I did too. Pete is politically farther left than I am. But the guy strikes me as a man who is genuinely concerned for the good of the country and he thinks things through. He's a very quick thinker.
I would dearly love to see a debate between Buttigieg and Bone Spurs. Or they could fight.
So would I. OTOH, I dread a debate between Biden and BS. I think BS can take advantage of Biden's brain-tongue disconnect. BS is never at a loss for words, even when they don't make any sense at all. (Which doesn't seem to matter, anyway.)
My fear of a Trump vs. Pete race is that the never Trumpers out there might not quite be able to pull the lever for a gay president. They either abstain or vote Libertarian and combined with the far left who don’t like Pete not being a socialist go with the Green Party and we get four more years.
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If they can't vote for a guy who roughly has the same general platform as Biden because he's gay then they were probably going to turn their nose up and actually vote for Trump as most of these hemming n' hawwing types did anyway.
Homophobes are automatically going to vote for Trump.
I've had one guy tell me "God is going to rain hell upon earth if that gay guy gets elected." He thinks Trump is the greatest president in American history, no exaggeration. The people I go to church with who describe homosexuality as a sin are ALL Trumpers.
I don't have any evidence of it, but I just don't think if Pete were heterosexual he'd pick up a lot more votes. If he maintains the momentum he has now, someone will eventually conduct a poll asking such a question.
If you vote for any Democrat then you are voting for someone that is OK with homosexuality. It's been like that for a while. It's not new to this election cycle.
What’s wrong with homosexuality? I’m not a Democrat, but I’m OK with it, whatever “OK with it” means.
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Eh, I don't think so.
I mean, this almost talking in both directions. Supposedly, it's all those religious Trump voters who hate gay folks, and they're with Trump anyway.
A number of the never Trumpers are already fine with gay marriage anyway.
But remember the old maxim:
Republicans fall in line
Democrats fall in love
And I think that's where the Biden candidacy is going to have some serious problems because a number of the young and vivacious folks drawn to Bernie are simply not going to vote for Biden. There's nothing new about this. Gary Hart was a matinee idol and a concern for the Reagan folks - but he didn't win, and Mondale got buried because the Hart voters either stayed home or voted for Reagan. Same with the Kerry voters in 2004 or the Bernie ones in 2016.
I'll admit to being old, but I've never gotten that line of reasoning. I'm old enough to remember Mo Udall being slammed because he wouldn't come out and slam George Wallace (as Ed Muskie had done four years earlier by calling Wallace a demagogue, which I won't dispute). Udall made the point to his interlocutor that while he couldn't run on the ticket with the guy or support him, he was going to take the high road and that Muskie had made a mistake - because after all, if their candidate loses, don't you want to be their second choice?
I don't know who is more naive in that situation, but it seems to my simple mind that you can't say, "But Trump is a unique threat to everything" and then complain that you can't vote for the alternative, unless maybe it's Tulsi Gabbard.
I don't care who you love or with whom you have sex. I guess that makes me OK with homosexuality. I'm good with same sex marriage as well. Those who aren't might as well be because it's the law of the land. I'm also good with not discriminating against someone in employment or other venues because of their sexual orientation. Seems like a decent thing to do. On the list of things that would make me not vote for a democrat that issue doesn't even make the list. The fact that it makes the list for many republican candidates does make me want to vote against them. I don't really like bigotry at all and try to avoid voting for bigots.
Bullock and Sestak are out.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/steve-bullock-drops-out-of-2020-presidential-race
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At least, with the Democrats, you generally know who's homosexual. The Republicans are all closeted and are therefore subject to blackmail...
I'm perfectly ok with it. My point was anyone who will vote democrat probably does not care who he sleeps with. Though I have met a few democrats in certain counties in Alabama that are against homosexuality, they are the exception.
I don’t know how to take that. Are you sure this is what you intended to say? Is "he" Pete or Democrats in general?
ETA: Nevermind, I get it now. You're saying Democrats don't care who their candidate sleeps with. Sorry, I'm slow sometimes.
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Good PR move on Joe's part to initiate this campaign slogan.
Are there any other Democratic candidates with "catchy" slogans?
Are there any other Democratic candidates with "catchy" slogans?
This stuff kinda proves that most American have no real ideological underpinnings because most of this movement seems to have been from Warren to Buttigieg. Plainly inexplicable in any sort reasonable understanding of political ideology as they are quite oppositional to one another in many respects. It only makes sense if you accept that American politics is not about ideology but simply identity signifiers and seeming like you are voting for the most smart one (even if what they're selling is horse manure that will undoubtedly hurt your material conditions).
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