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CharminTide

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TIDE-HSV said:
Does he really need a platform other than reversing and undoing Trumpism?
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I actually think he does, if he wants to win over primary voters. And I don't think he has one.

Which is why, to answer your earlier question, I do think his current polling is temporary, and he's trended nowhere but down since entering the race. We'll see how it plays out. I reserve the right to change judgement after the second round of debates.
 
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CharminTide said:
I actually think he does, if he wants to win over primary voters. And I don't think he has one.

Which is why, to answer your earlier question, I do think his current polling is temporary, and he's trended nowhere but down since entering the race. We'll see how it plays out. I reserve the right to change judgement after the second round of debates.
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It will be interesting to see...
 
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TIDE-HSV said:
So, you think his having the largest poll lead over Trump now is temporary or illusory?
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I think it's illusory. I think polls are suffering from many of the same issues that caused them to be so far off during 2016 (Say one thing and do another in the isolation of the voting booth). That plus I think they are likely suffering from confirmation bias.

The poll given to a Sanders/Buttigieg/Harris/Warren/<Insert Dem Pres Candidate here> supporter when presented like:

"Who would you vote for Trump or Biden" is obviously going to be Biden at this point in time, but I can't help but believe that the emotional nature of most Democratic voters will leave some of these poll respondents home on Election Day. When given the option between sanity and insanity, while their candidate still has hope at this point in time, they will chose what they believe to be the saner choice while in the back of their mind knowing it isn't a valid choice because <Insert Dem Pres Candidate here> will be the actual option.

I wonder how the lead would look if the question was more along the lines of:

"Who would you vote for Trump or Biden, and would you still go vote for sure even knowing that your real favorite candidate lost the primary?"
 
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chanson78 said:
I think it's illusory. I think polls are suffering from many of the same issues that caused them to be so far off during 2016 (Say one thing and do another in the isolation of the voting booth). That plus I think they are likely suffering from confirmation bias.

The poll given to a Sanders/Buttigieg/Harris/Warren/<Insert Dem Pres Candidate here> supporter when presented like:

"Who would you vote for Trump or Biden" is obviously going to be Biden at this point in time, but I can't help but believe that the emotional nature of most Democratic voters will leave some of these poll respondents home on Election Day. When given the option between sanity and insanity, while their candidate still has hope at this point in time, they will chose what they believe to be the saner choice while in the back of their mind knowing it isn't a valid choice because <Insert Dem Pres Candidate here> will be the actual option.

I wonder how the lead would look if the question was more along the lines of:

"Who would you vote for Trump or Biden, and would you still go vote for sure even knowing that your real favorite candidate lost the primary?"
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As I said, I think it will shake out. I do think that the main question in at least 80% of voters likely to vote against Trump will be who will be most likely to defeat him. Right now, that candidate is Biden and the national polling supports that. I think one of the other candidates will have to catch fire nationally, especially with independents. I don't see that yet...
 
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I honestly wonder now how an untainted Al Franken would do in this field - because he has more TV experience than the others, which DOES matter in terms of comfort level and knowing how something will come across. But that's water under the lift bridge at Duluth now.
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There was a time when I was kind of hoping for a Franken-Harris or Franken-Warren ticket. I would have been just as happy with Harris-Franken or Warren-Franken.
 
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jthomas666 said:
There was a time when I was kind of hoping for a Franken-Harris or Franken-Warren ticket. I would have been just as happy with Harris-Franken or Warren-Franken.
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i think franken should get back into politics. he's a piker compared to the gop's constant debauchery. hell, mark foley is starting to appear again.
 
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i think franken should get back into politics. he's a piker compared to the gop's constant debauchery.
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One can make that argument. On the other hand, there's no reason to think the abundance of women seeking the Presidency will think twice about making an issue of it (or - more smartly - getting a friend of theirs in the excuse for media we have in this country to do it).

I think it's going to be harder for Franken on this than it was for (to use one example) Clinton because it's in the teeth of "me too." I'm NOT saying that's right - because you're correct his indiscretions are smaller by comparison.

But I suspect the times have changed on that, too.

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hell, mark foley is starting to appear again.
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Hopes 92tide is lying......hopes 92tide is lying.....hopes 92tide is lying.....

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You've GOT to be kidding me!!!!!!
 
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Warren would definitely object to you calling her a socialist, if that’s your implication.

And yeah, Warren and Sanders on the same ticket is never going to happen. Nor should it.
 
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Yeah, she's one of those who just thinks American capitalism is broken but repairable rather than the system itself being breaking once the capitalists ran out of new frontiers domestically and globally. Sanders and Warren have a positive relationship from what I've gathered...overlap with staff members over the years, etc...but yeah they are not ideologically equivalent.
 
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rgw said:
Nah I just love socialism.

https://twitter.com/abc/status/1149073161947762688

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That ticket would only strengthen his base, and his base has far more reliable voters. You don’t win by counting an increase or decrease in California voters, you win by an increase or decrease in Midwest and Mid Atlantic voters. Bernie and Liz would not be great in the MW or MA, and would make Hillary’s loss look like a close race.

Let’s be honest, Bernie doesn’t have a realistic chance in hell of winning the DNC nomination. So let’s realistically say Liz. Liz needs either a centrist Mid West senator or a Mid Atlantic governor to get the non Trump folks on the right not scared enough to go to ballot and people excited enough on the left to go to the ballot box. A Bernie-Liz ballot just translates to an ass whooping that we haven’t seen in the last 30 years because the right is going to be united behind the fear of socialism in America.
 
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Buttigieg has been criticized for being light on policy. He's recently rolled out the "Douglass Plan" which is one of the more far reaching policy proposals so far.

Douglass Plan

 
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