Politics: 2020 Dem POTUS candidate catch all discussion thread

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Yea, big win for Warren. I almost wish they would have done the tiered thing and switched a few of these around.

Honestly though I expect the first debates to be kinda rough with this many candidates anyway.
 

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These debates should be good fun. Probably just a show of who can spew the most Trump hate, initially. Wait till the second round before they start the contest of who can promise the most giveaways/free stuff. I expect Biden to get swamped rather quickly. The far left wing rules that party and Biden will never get a handle on it it. Should be hilarious.
 

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These debates should be good fun. Probably just a show of who can spew the most Trump hate, initially. Wait till the second round before they start the contest of who can promise the most giveaways/free stuff. I expect Biden to get swamped rather quickly. The far left wing rules that party and Biden will never get a handle on it it. Should be hilarious.
i look forward to your input on the "game" thread for the debate, assuming you can stop laughing long enough to participate.
 

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These debates should be good fun. Probably just a show of who can spew the most Trump hate, initially. Wait till the second round before they start the contest of who can promise the most giveaways/free stuff. I expect Biden to get swamped rather quickly. The far left wing rules that party and Biden will never get a handle on it it. Should be hilarious.
If the far left rules the party then why did Sanders get swamped by a centrist candidate in 2016?
 

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The country has become more polarized since the 2016 election.
What evidence are you going off of? It seems that anyone who is saying that the voting electorate has changed overnight is a far left or far right personality. Not exactly the best people to take seriously.

Bernie has no chance and Liz probably has a decent chance as long as Bernie doesn’t take too many key delegates down with him. A true progressive winning the nomination would be a bigger upset than Trump winning the general election.
 
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The kind of folks who primary vote are going to do what they do on the democrat side and panic about "electability" (the false assumption they can reason at all the right) and pick out the most diffident candidate possible instead of being bold. This is another John Kerry in the making in my opinion.
 

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"If the far left rules the party then why did Sanders get swamped by a centrist candidate in 2016?"


That was then, this is now.
 
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"If the far left rules the party then why did Sanders get swamped by a centrist candidate in 2016?"


That was then, this is now.
I’ve been hearing from Fox and the YouTube and Facebook “experts” for the better part of the last 15 years that we will finally get a socialist nominee for the democrats.... yet the progressives still make up the 20% of the party and less than 10% of the voting public.

So it is more like “that was then and still now”
 
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Wow. Twenty something candidates. It's funny that the Dems think the GOP is a party of rich old white men and their two leading candidates are........rich old white men.
Biden has been in Washington for nearly 50 years, and he now wants to be President so he can fix everything.:conf2:
 

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The country has become more polarized since the 2016 election.
Remains to be seen. In 2020, how many "let's 'shake things up'" folks will stay on board the dumpster fire they helped create.

There isn't a universal polarizing negative candidate running this time in the Democratic side. I loathed Hillary Clinton when she was First Lady. And only voted for her in 2020 because I knew what we were in for if Trump was elected.

Sanders will not stand up to scrutiny. He was the shiny nickel in the till the last time. Every election cycle has that element - the candidate that doesn't get scrutinized.
 

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What evidence are you going off of? It seems that anyone who is saying that the voting electorate has changed overnight is a far left or far right personality. Not exactly the best people to take seriously.

Bernie has no chance and Liz probably has a decent chance as long as Bernie doesn’t take too many key delegates down with him. A true progressive winning the nomination would be a bigger upset than Trump winning the general election.
FWIW, and this is obviously anecdotal, but I've become a bit more liberal than I was pre-Turmp. And, I've definitely become less tolerant of the idea of a candidate like Biden.
 

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FWIW, and this is obviously anecdotal, but I've become a bit more liberal than I was pre-Turmp. And, I've definitely become less tolerant of the idea of a candidate like Biden.
I get it, but it still doesn’t align with these hot takes that say “the far left runs the party”. The majority of the party are far more in the middle of the American political spectrum. Then the vast majority of the electorate are not going to vote for Sanders or a true far left candidate.

Warren’s appeal is more that she seems to be forming an unexpected bridge between the progressives and the mainstreamers. She actually has a chance. Sanders winning would be a bigger upset than Trump winning in 2016.
 

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FWIW, and this is obviously anecdotal, but I've become a bit more liberal than I was pre-Turmp. And, I've definitely become less tolerant of the idea of a candidate like Biden.
I started moving to a more liberal position after Bush the Younger's first term and have gradually shifted leftward. This does not mean I would support someone like Sanders, but would give a serious look at Warren, Harris, and Booker who I believe all to be right of Bernie. Quite frankly, had the Republicans offered up a decent candidate in 2016 I would likely have voted for that candidate over Clinton.

I have tried to like Biden, and may yet support him, but he needs to drop the continual references to the Obama presidency and provide a campaign that focuses on the future and not just how to unseat the scourge currently in the WH. I still believe that the center is where most Americans are and they do not want an extremist candidate.
 

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I get it, but it still doesn’t align with these hot takes that say “the far left runs the party”. The majority of the party are far more in the middle of the American political spectrum. Then the vast majority of the electorate are not going to vote for Sanders or a true far left candidate.

Warren’s appeal is more that she seems to be forming an unexpected bridge between the progressives and the mainstreamers. She actually has a chance. Sanders winning would be a bigger upset than Trump winning in 2016.
Oh yea I agree. The far left or whatever doesn't run the party at all. And I'm not a far left guy myself(though some may see me that way on some issues). And I don't think Sanders has much of a chance.

However, I voted for Hillary in 2016 and if I could do it all over would consider Sanders much more seriously and probably vote for him. And, I would vote for Bernie this year if I need to (if its down to him and Biden at least).


I doubt I'm the only one who moved in that direction but I could be a minority idk. And FWIW, It's not that I've actually become that much more liberal its more that I think there is more urgency to push a progressive agenda than I did pre Trump.
 

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Oh yea I agree. The far left or whatever doesn't run the party at all. And I'm not a far left guy myself(though some may see me that way on some issues). And I don't think Sanders has much of a chance.

However, I voted for Hillary in 2016 and if I could do it all over would consider Sanders much more seriously and probably vote for him. And, I would vote for Bernie this year if I need to (if its down to him and Biden at least).


I doubt I'm the only one who moved in that direction but I could be a minority idk. And FWIW, It's not that I've actually become that much more liberal its more that I think there is more urgency to push a progressive agenda than I did pre Trump.
I’m more in the “whoever can beat Trump” camp. I think Biden, Mayor Pete, Kamala, and Liz are the only ones I’m really considering right now. But I’m undecided on which one.

But the overall point is that the Elderly white demographic and a portion of the African American demographics is going to decide who wins the nomination like it always does. So Sanders can get all the younger crowd he wants and still lose miserably. all these protests, rallies, and town halls he holds with all these college students might only produce 10 votes out of every 100 people there.
 
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