i do like that she and harris are on different stagesTo an absurd degree. Of the top 5:
Day 1: Warren
Day 2: Biden, Sanders, Buttigieg, Harris
i do like that she and harris are on different stagesTo an absurd degree. Of the top 5:
Day 1: Warren
Day 2: Biden, Sanders, Buttigieg, Harris
i look forward to your input on the "game" thread for the debate, assuming you can stop laughing long enough to participate.These debates should be good fun. Probably just a show of who can spew the most Trump hate, initially. Wait till the second round before they start the contest of who can promise the most giveaways/free stuff. I expect Biden to get swamped rather quickly. The far left wing rules that party and Biden will never get a handle on it it. Should be hilarious.
Do you think any of them will claim that Mexico will pay for Medicare for All?Wait till the second round before they start the contest of who can promise the most giveaways/free stuff.
medicare for all will be paid for by the ameros collected as tolls on the nafta superhighway.Do you think any of them will claim that Mexico will pay for Medicare for All?
If the far left rules the party then why did Sanders get swamped by a centrist candidate in 2016?These debates should be good fun. Probably just a show of who can spew the most Trump hate, initially. Wait till the second round before they start the contest of who can promise the most giveaways/free stuff. I expect Biden to get swamped rather quickly. The far left wing rules that party and Biden will never get a handle on it it. Should be hilarious.
How DARE you use facts!?!If the far left rules the party then why did Sanders get swamped by a centrist candidate in 2016?
The country has become more polarized since the 2016 election.If the far left rules the party then why did Sanders get swamped by a centrist candidate in 2016?
What evidence are you going off of? It seems that anyone who is saying that the voting electorate has changed overnight is a far left or far right personality. Not exactly the best people to take seriously.The country has become more polarized since the 2016 election.
I’ve been hearing from Fox and the YouTube and Facebook “experts” for the better part of the last 15 years that we will finally get a socialist nominee for the democrats.... yet the progressives still make up the 20% of the party and less than 10% of the voting public."If the far left rules the party then why did Sanders get swamped by a centrist candidate in 2016?"
That was then, this is now.
Remains to be seen. In 2020, how many "let's 'shake things up'" folks will stay on board the dumpster fire they helped create.The country has become more polarized since the 2016 election.
FWIW, and this is obviously anecdotal, but I've become a bit more liberal than I was pre-Turmp. And, I've definitely become less tolerant of the idea of a candidate like Biden.What evidence are you going off of? It seems that anyone who is saying that the voting electorate has changed overnight is a far left or far right personality. Not exactly the best people to take seriously.
Bernie has no chance and Liz probably has a decent chance as long as Bernie doesn’t take too many key delegates down with him. A true progressive winning the nomination would be a bigger upset than Trump winning the general election.
I get it, but it still doesn’t align with these hot takes that say “the far left runs the party”. The majority of the party are far more in the middle of the American political spectrum. Then the vast majority of the electorate are not going to vote for Sanders or a true far left candidate.FWIW, and this is obviously anecdotal, but I've become a bit more liberal than I was pre-Turmp. And, I've definitely become less tolerant of the idea of a candidate like Biden.
I started moving to a more liberal position after Bush the Younger's first term and have gradually shifted leftward. This does not mean I would support someone like Sanders, but would give a serious look at Warren, Harris, and Booker who I believe all to be right of Bernie. Quite frankly, had the Republicans offered up a decent candidate in 2016 I would likely have voted for that candidate over Clinton.FWIW, and this is obviously anecdotal, but I've become a bit more liberal than I was pre-Turmp. And, I've definitely become less tolerant of the idea of a candidate like Biden.
Oh yea I agree. The far left or whatever doesn't run the party at all. And I'm not a far left guy myself(though some may see me that way on some issues). And I don't think Sanders has much of a chance.I get it, but it still doesn’t align with these hot takes that say “the far left runs the party”. The majority of the party are far more in the middle of the American political spectrum. Then the vast majority of the electorate are not going to vote for Sanders or a true far left candidate.
Warren’s appeal is more that she seems to be forming an unexpected bridge between the progressives and the mainstreamers. She actually has a chance. Sanders winning would be a bigger upset than Trump winning in 2016.
I’m more in the “whoever can beat Trump” camp. I think Biden, Mayor Pete, Kamala, and Liz are the only ones I’m really considering right now. But I’m undecided on which one.Oh yea I agree. The far left or whatever doesn't run the party at all. And I'm not a far left guy myself(though some may see me that way on some issues). And I don't think Sanders has much of a chance.
However, I voted for Hillary in 2016 and if I could do it all over would consider Sanders much more seriously and probably vote for him. And, I would vote for Bernie this year if I need to (if its down to him and Biden at least).
I doubt I'm the only one who moved in that direction but I could be a minority idk. And FWIW, It's not that I've actually become that much more liberal its more that I think there is more urgency to push a progressive agenda than I did pre Trump.