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The midwest is probably more progressive left message receptive than centrist liberal message receptive considering open-market liberalism is what blew out their manufacturing industry. I'm not saying that they're red-tinted comrades but the Bernie/Warren message is just gonna resonate more there than America is Already Great liberal capitalism.
 

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Of course, national polls really don’t matter as it is about what happens in six or so states. If Biden is the nominee and Berniebots stay home or go Green again, we get another four years of Trump.


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the daily/weekly drumbeat of how unpopular this narcissistic freak is, especially from the gop propaganda network, will take it's toll on him and he will feel the need to "correct" that. what impact that will have on the next election, i don't know.
 

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the daily/weekly drumbeat of how unpopular this narcissistic freak is, especially from the gop propaganda network, will take it's toll on him and he will feel the need to "correct" that. what impact that will have on the next election, i don't know.
Can a narcissistic freak change their behavior? Under enormous pressure! I believe it will be more akin to Hitler's reaction... They don't deserve me so we will all go down with the ship!
 

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Why this Never Trump ex-Republican will vote for almost any 2020 Democratic nominee

I don’t care if Sen. Elizabeth Warren is a mendacious Massachusetts liberal. She could tell me that she’s going to make me wear waffles as underpants and I’ll vote for her. I don’t care if Sen. Kamala Harris is an opportunistic California prosecutor who wants to relitigate busing. She could tell me that I have to drive to work in a go-cart covered with Barbie decals and I’ll vote for her. I don’t care if Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is a muddle-headed socialist from a rural class-warfare state (where I once lived as one of his constituents). He could tell me he’s going to tax used kitty litter and I’ll vote for him....

This is why policy doesn’t matter. I have only two requirements from the Democratic nominee. First, he or she must not be obviously mentally unstable. Second, the nominee must not be in any way sympathetic — or worse, potentially beholden — to a hostile foreign power. This rules out Gabbard, Williamson and maybe New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, although in de Blasio’s case it’s hard to tell whether he is unstable or just a terrible person.

As for the rest of them, I am willing to live with whoever wins the Democratic primary process. I will likely hate the nominee’s policies, but at least I will not be concerned that he or she is incapable of understanding “the nuclear” or “the cyber.” I will feel like I have a shot at trying to convince my elected representatives that they should listen to the policy preferences of normal human beings instead of two old men wearing shirts that say they’d “rather be a Russian than a Democrat,” or a woman in a shirt indicating that she is willing to have the president grab her genitalia....

It is a sign of how low we have fallen as a nation that “rational” and “not compromised by an enemy” are now my only two requirements for the office of the president of the United States. Perhaps years of peace and prosperity have made us forget the terrifying responsibilities that attend the presidency, including the stewardship of enough nuclear weapons to blow the Northern Hemisphere to smithereens.

As long as the Democrats can provide someone who can pass these simple tests, their nominee has my vote.
 

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Unfortunately it seems that there are more never trumpers in the op-eds than on the voter rolls.
I thought the report by Axios this morning on the build up in resistance to Trumps Immigration policies within corporate America to be a telling sign that there is fairly large upturn in anti Trump sentiment outside of his thirty something percent base.

 

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The midwest is probably more progressive left message receptive than centrist liberal message receptive considering open-market liberalism is what blew out their manufacturing industry. I'm not saying that they're red-tinted comrades but the Bernie/Warren message is just gonna resonate more there than America is Already Great liberal capitalism.
Have you been to the Midwest? I’ve lived 6 years of my life there, and I can tell you they aren’t close to being progressive. Most Midwesterners are just to the left or right of most Alabamians. Sure Illinois, Minnesota, and Michigan are usually Democrat, but far and large most of the Midwest is hardcore conservative or lean right swing at best. That is a huge reason Bernie was trounced there and Trump won.
 

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Have you been to the Midwest? I’ve lived 6 years of my life there, and I can tell you they aren’t close to being progressive. Most Midwesterners are just to the left or right of most Alabamians. Sure Illinois, Minnesota, and Michigan are usually Democrat, but far and large most of the Midwest is hardcore conservative or lean right swing at best. That is a huge reason Bernie was trounced there and Trump won.
I think he's saying they might be more receptive to a populist message. Which fits the Bernie lane much better than a traditional Dem like Hillary. Could be wrong though
 

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Have you been to the Midwest? I’ve lived 6 years of my life there, and I can tell you they aren’t close to being progressive. Most Midwesterners are just to the left or right of most Alabamians. Sure Illinois, Minnesota, and Michigan are usually Democrat, but far and large most of the Midwest is hardcore conservative or lean right swing at best. That is a huge reason Bernie was trounced there and Trump won.
I dunno but it seems like the more progressive left / populist left (whatever you may call it) candidates have fared pretty well up there from a distance.
 

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I dunno but it seems like the more progressive left / populist left (whatever you may call it) candidates have fared pretty well up there from a distance.
I want to remind you that Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, and Iowa are hardcore conservative states, and Wyoming and the Dakotas are small conservative states. Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan are always the minority of the Midwestern electoral opinion. It’s why the Mid Atlantic is far more critical for democrats than the MW. No New Englander has had the majority of the MW since FDR.
 

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Have you been to the Midwest? I’ve lived 6 years of my life there, and I can tell you they aren’t close to being progressive. Most Midwesterners are just to the left or right of most Alabamians. Sure Illinois, Minnesota, and Michigan are usually Democrat, but far and large most of the Midwest is hardcore conservative or lean right swing at best. That is a huge reason Bernie was trounced there and Trump won.
I agree with this. Chicago, Minneapolis-St. Paul, and Detroit have historically all been Democrat strongholds while the rest of those states are more conservative to moderate. Iowa, Kansas, the Dakotas, Nebraska, Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana are predominately white and have always favored the GOP.
 

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At this point I'd be surprised if anyone but Biden wins the nomination.

That said, despite everything as it is, I don't think Biden is an easy win. I think he struggles and quite possibly hands Trump a second term.

It's just... dang...
 

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At this point I'd be surprised if anyone but Biden wins the nomination.

That said, despite everything as it is, I don't think Biden is an easy win. I think he struggles and quite possibly hands Trump a second term.

It's just... dang...
During the democratic primary there are a few states that get to go first and I think those few stateS effect how others vote in the later primary states. What democrat do we see winning those first few states?
 

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Joe Biden is the only democratic candidate I would highly consider voting for. If someone has been in Washington for over forty years and says "I want to be your President so I can fix things" ......well, you just can't help but like him.
 

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Really not looking forward to the prospect of our 2020 general election being the duel of two sundowning boomers.
 

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I agree with this. Chicago, Minneapolis-St. Paul, and Detroit have historically all been Democrat strongholds while the rest of those states are more conservative to moderate. Iowa, Kansas, the Dakotas, Nebraska, Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana are predominately white and have always favored the GOP.
I think when Democrats say Midwest, they think Michigan, Illinois, Minnesota, and Colorado, , but they fail to realize that all those votes are canceled out by that vast line of flyover states in the middle that they never seem to do well in. The only prize in the Midwest is Ohio. But predicting Ohio’s lean is like predicting Auburn’s schedule, you never know for sure based on an educated guess. What you are basically left with is a bunch of rednecks, farmers, and religious groups pushing anyone who goes against their beliefs back to California and New York. It would take a Midwesterner or a southerner to tap into that conservative stronghold. Besides Biden, probably Mayor Pete is the only one with a prayer with the MW.

Point is a centrist has a far better chance in the MW than any progressive candidate. Democrats needs to focus more on the Mid Atlantic and taking back lost territory instead of trying to get the Midwest farmer’s daughter’s vote.
 

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At this point I'd be surprised if anyone but Biden wins the nomination.

That said, despite everything as it is, I don't think Biden is an easy win. I think he struggles and quite possibly hands Trump a second term.

It's just... dang...
Personally I think Trump gets a second term regardless of the nominee, but I think Biden and Warren probably are the one’s with the best chance of preventing it.
 

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I think he's saying they might be more receptive to a populist message. Which fits the Bernie lane much better than a traditional Dem like Hillary. Could be wrong though
This isn’t the 1900’s or 1930’s. The Midwest for the most part is more like the Deep South in many ways. There is a reason why Hillary trounced Bernie in the MW, but in turn got trounced by Trump.
 
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