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    Re: Link: Interesting CFBCG take from Josh Jacobs

    Let me preface this by saying that I have a lot of respect for Jalen and the character and leadership he brought to our program. But I think as more time passes, we will look back on the 2016-2018 era of the CNS tenure as an experimental stage where we moved to less physical style of play among other issues on both sides of the ball and ironically suffered more injuries during this time, had less ball control, struggled to convert on 3rd down, etc. Minus Clemson or OSU no other team is even sniffing playing for a NC this way and those teams have tremendous schedule help through the season. We lost 2 NCs during this time and won 1. But somehow I just think coach was not comfortable with the philosophy during these 3yrs.

    I think we are seeing coach shift back some to a style of play he is more comfortable with. Truth be told I think coach would say he prefers the makeup/style of his 2015 team than any other. It could play physical but stretch the field on offense and we had a platoon of bigger defensive players.

    We need to move back to the bigger players in the front 7 on D with a deeper rotation to weather the grind of our schedule and make the other team play a more physical game that they are likely not used to in the NC.

    What we witnessed in the NCG was the diminishing returns of a strategy that will not put us in firm position in title games. Looks we are moving back.




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    Re: Link: Interesting CFBCG take from Josh Jacobs

    Quote Originally Posted by B1GTide View Post
    There is, without question, validity to the argument that Clemson was more "fresh" during the CFPCG. And for any athlete, being at exactly he right "freshness" is essential to peak performance. So, when two fairly equal teams play and one has a significant edge in "freshness", it could absolutely prove to be the difference in the game. As a distance runner for decades, this is absolute fact backed by some serious science.

    All that said, there is nothing that fans can do about it. I certainly would not use it as an excuse for the loss when talking to Clemson fans. It sounds weak. But if I was Saban, I would consider what he can do given the schedule disparity to help Alabama remain more fresh down the stretch this year.

    Last year the loss to Auburn helped you. You were very fresh when you played Clemson.

    This season there is a huge gap between CFP games (between round one and round two). That should help.
    Although one thing that might help this year in the overall scheme of things are the two open dates!

    The first between the Ole Miss and Texas a&m game, and the 2nd as usual before the LSU game after the Arkansas (Homecoming)!

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    Re: Link: Interesting CFBCG take from Josh Jacobs

    I'm beginning to wonder if it's better for Bama to already have a loss going into the playoff. Coach Saban frequently says himself that he's had only had one undefeated championship team at Bama. Why is that? Seems to me that a possible reason is that with a loss the guys are more focused and realize that they will get beat if they don't play their best while an undefeated playoff team may think they can beat anybody, perhaps even if they don't play their best. Maybe the fact that we beat Clemson easily a year ago had some of our guys thinking it wasn't going to be hard this time either.

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    Re: Link: Interesting CFBCG take from Josh Jacobs

    Quote Originally Posted by rgw View Post
    Admittedly, Clemson looked like the team with more juice out there. I think there is some truth to Jacobs' analysis but the blame is still in our court. My argument since that whooping is that we've got to start playing more guys because than Saban's traditional approach dictates. He wants to play guys he "trusts" but that day and age is over. When you play 14 or 15 games in a season and our back half of the schedule is almost nothing but top 25 teams...you've got to build depth and sometimes that means playing guys before you can trust them and hope that they become trustable. Injuries exacerbated this issue for Alabama this year but even with 3 more OLBs and a 1 DB we were still very thin rotationally - despite having bodies - on the DL which is why our best player was worn out since that LSU game.
    Excellent point! I read somewhere that Clemson averaged playing 70 players a game and we averaged about 45...that in itself keeps guys fresh. With all of our blow out wins (just like Clemson had) we could have easily played a lot more players...less reps over the long haul by our starters and building depth too. The mentally fatigue excuse sort of rubbed me the wrong way. It did not bother us in the two NC games we won in CFP era and did not bother us in the loss to Clemson in the 2nd NC game...what got us that game was they ran 99 plays on offense and that is what made us tired...but it was still so winnable (lost by 4). So we get our butt kicked on the scoreboard but we had 5 trips on in the redzone...how do you do this against a great Defense if you are mentally fatigued? We had two picks which resulted in 14 points for CU...is this because of mental fatigue? We had a turrible (charles barkly voice) fake field goal...mental fatigue? We were turrible on 3rd downs...is this mental fatigue? i don't buy it...Clemson did not make those mistakes in the game. Clemson was the better team this year. It sucks but reality matters if we are to turn it around. The season is loooooog for both teams. Come on man!

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    Re: Link: Interesting CFBCG take from Josh Jacobs

    I can buy the mental and physical fatigue angle. Georgia fans talk about how young they are as reason for not beating us but we're just as young. It's rare for us to have anywhere near the number of senior starting players that Clemson had. Losing them may hurt them some next year but we're losing too many players to the draft too early every year. That has to effect leadership as much as anything.

    A good 22 year old player will usually beat or outlast a good 19 year old player.

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    Re: Link: Interesting CFBCG take from Josh Jacobs

    You guys were favored by at least 2 TD in every game (avg of like 4 TD) and avg winning margin was 30 or so. No doubt the sec championship was tougher than the acc, can not argue that.

    That's 1 game they were mentally taxed. Now, if the saban model of how he approaches all games, practices, and "the process" was mentally taxing... I guess, but it's worked really well the past decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerTown View Post
    You guys were favored by at least 2 TD in every game (avg of like 4 TD) and avg winning margin was 30 or so.
    That did not make those teams any easier to beat. If anything, it made them harder to beat. You might understand the conversation if you had to fight through a similar November/December schedule every single year.

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    If you all wouldn't have been beaten down so bad you took a knee to end the 1st half and the game was even in question at some point in the 2nd half... the idea that you were "mentally" drained would maybe have merit. So you were mentally exhausted by maybe playing tough games each week 2 to 3 months earlier?

    Right...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerTown View Post
    If you all wouldn't have been beaten down so bad you took a knee to end the 1st half and the game was even in question at some point in the 2nd half... the idea that you were "mentally" drained would maybe have merit. So you were mentally exhausted by maybe playing tough games each week 2 to 3 months earlier?
    I tend to agree - but if you look at how Bama played in the first and second half, with lots of mental mistakes, missed opportunities, etc, it's uncharacteristic of Bama football. Certainly a lot of credit is due Clemson for causing issues in Bama's play, but there was a lack of mental focus regardless as to what the scoreboard said.

    But again, I'm not buying 'mental fatigue' when the team had four weeks off to recharge after the SECCG. It appears that Clemson came out well-prepared and ready to play while Bama's lack of coaching experience / acumen made for a combination that was simply too much to overcome.
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    Re: Link: Interesting CFBCG take from Josh Jacobs

    Quote Originally Posted by TigerTown View Post
    If you all wouldn't have been beaten down so bad you took a knee to end the 1st half and the game was even in question at some point in the 2nd half... the idea that you were "mentally" drained would maybe have merit. So you were mentally exhausted by maybe playing tough games each week 2 to 3 months earlier?

    Right...
    We were out coached, out prepared and faced a team that was hungrier than we were. Is Clemson physically/talent wise, 4 td's better than Alabama? Heck no, and it's laughable for anyone to even believe that. Saban and his staff were "out worked" in the preparation department and got their butts handed to them. Maybe a lesson was learned, who knows?

    I don't think that game was a sign that Clemson has now surpassed Alabama and ended their run like many believe. Your own coach even laughed at that notion. Bama returns a better team in 2019 than we had in 2018 AND will probably have the #1 recruiting class in the nation. I think we'll hang around a while longer. As your coach told Coach Saban "See you next year". Cheers and congrats again on the title.

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    Re: Link: Interesting CFBCG take from Josh Jacobs

    Quote Originally Posted by TigerTown View Post
    If you all wouldn't have been beaten down so bad you took a knee to end the 1st half and the game was even in question at some point in the 2nd half... the idea that you were "mentally" drained would maybe have merit. So you were mentally exhausted by maybe playing tough games each week 2 to 3 months earlier?

    Right...
    Largest margin of defeat Alabama has had in two decades. Yeah, I'm going to buy that Clemson was just that much better.

    Congrats on the win. No one can ever take it away (unless you all had a tutor helping to fix grades for the players or something like that), and no one is questioning whether or not Clemson was a worthy champion. But you are ignorant here if you think Clemson faced anything nearly as taxing as Alabama did during the season. Did it ultimately make the difference? No, probably not. If Alabama shows up mentally focused as it should have, maybe Clemson still wins. But not by 28.

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    Re: Link: Interesting CFBCG take from Josh Jacobs

    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonaudio View Post
    I tend to agree - but if you look at how Bama played in the first and second half, with lots of mental mistakes, missed opportunities, etc, it's uncharacteristic of Bama football. Certainly a lot of credit is due Clemson for causing issues in Bama's play, but there was a lack of mental focus regardless as to what the scoreboard said.
    But again, I'm not buying 'mental fatigue' when the team had four weeks off to recharge after the SECCG. It appears that Clemson came out well-prepared and ready to play while Bama's lack of coaching experience / acumen made for a combination that was simply too much to overcome.
    For a classic demonstration of mental and physical fatigue, look at the 2015 Bama vs. TN game. Bama played seven straight games going into the TN game. It was clear from the outset that the team was drained. Anyone who dismisses the cumulative effects of weekly football games - especially at the D1 level - has never played football. By the 7th game, soreness that generally subsides by Monday is still prevalent going into the next game. It's a vicious cycle that perhaps today's trainers have a much better handle on compared to when I played in the 80s. While I agree that mental and physical fatigue played little to no part in the NCG (playing OK vs ND notwithstanding), it is a phenomenon that every football player must face. This is why I've felt that teams scheduling bye weeks prior to facing Bama give themselves an advantage that is greater than most realize. It is also why I am somewhat against playoff expansion: the weekly grind is too taxing, both physically and mentally.

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    Re: Link: Interesting CFBCG take from Josh Jacobs

    So first... I never suggested Clemson is/was a "4 TD better team" last season, nor that the game is indicative of Clemson "taking over". We were that day for sure, but I wouldn't argue that was an anomaly outcome (how we won, not that we won). Was your schedule tougher? Sure... but it wasn't that significantly more difficult and whatever level more difficult it was sure as hell did not contribute to a game played over a month following the regular season.

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