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    The difference between Liberals and the left

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    Re: The difference between Liberals and the left

    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderFan View Post
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    Screwball. I guess he's trying to equate "left" to the progressive wing of the Democratic party. If you want to see what definition has really changed, it's the definition of "conservative"...
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    Re: The difference between Liberals and the left

    Both the far left and the far right are nutbags.
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    Re: The difference between Liberals and the left

    He's right when dealing with far leftist. But the same can be said with dealing with far rightist. It's probably because they tend to make the most noise. Then wrong perceptions take place about both groups as a whole.

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    Re: The difference between Liberals and the left

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    Screwball. I guess he's trying to equate "left" to the progressive wing of the Democratic party. If you want to see what definition has really changed, it's the definition of "conservative"...
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    Re: The difference between Liberals and the left

    By the second sentence they had already told a lie: This guy can't be a comedian.

    He likes straw men and leaps of "logic".

    He also fails to point out the fourth group: the far right, who doesn't want immigration because they are all criminals and rapist, etc;... They don't even want to offer asylum or the consideration of it as required by law.

    Yeah, not only is he not funny he is also not accurate or relatable. He skews the opinions of others and glosses over those with which he agrees by not even mentioning them.

    So I'm going with a firm "no".
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    Re: The difference between Liberals and the left

    I didn't get through it. He seems like the opposite of Rachel Maddow.

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    Re: The difference between Liberals and the left

    Quote Originally Posted by DzynKingRTR View Post
    Both the far left and the far right are nutbags.
    Exactly. Every example of the far left he gives I could give a counterexample of the far right. The clean air example. He is certainly right that there are those in the conservative spectrum that want clean air and just disagree with the left on how to achieve clean air/environment. What he fails to mention is that there are some right wingnuts that just refuse to admit that man is even having an impact on the climate.

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    Re: The difference between Liberals and the left

    In response, two words: Freedom Caucus
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    Re: The difference between Liberals and the left

    Quote Originally Posted by DzynKingRTR View Post
    Both the far left and the far right are nutbags.
    Remove the political labels and apply personality types and you'll find they are actually cut from the same cloth. The far right/left political nut job is also a person who more than likely is an extremist in other non political parts of their life. Whatever they grab a hold of they go to the extremes with.

    The majority of people in America aren't like these two groups of people. But these groups of people and their views are put in front of camera's more than the average american, one being labeled "liberal" and the other "conservative". Then, as human nature likes to do (and I've been just as guilty of this as anybody), anyone we come across who identifies with either "liberal" or "conservative" we automatically begin to put them in the same category as the nut jobs. We all do it, and let's not pretend we don't. It's why I've learned and am continuing to learn (as I get older and hopefully a little wiser) that it's better to get to know an individual first, before I start projecting things onto them based on a large group they identify with.
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    Re: The difference between Liberals and the left

    Personal opinion, but it always requires extra grace and caution when discussion political views with which one disagrees (regardless of which end of the spectrum one inhabits). Tread carefully, because it is too easy to define one's opponents in some ludicrous and extreme way, then dismiss them as extreme.

    My personal view is that a "liberalism" is the political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. (Encyclopedia Britannica) Liberals believe in the free exchange of ideas. Bad Ideas get rejected and tossed on the ash-heap of history.

    (Again, in my view), "left-wing politics supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy. It typically involves a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others (prioritarianism) as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished (by advocating for social justice). The term left-wing can also refer to "the radical, reforming, or socialist section of a political party or system." (Oxford Dictionary).

    My own beliefs favor restricting government to those powers the people delegated to the respective state and general governments, and reduction of federal expenditures and/or increasing federal taxes until the federal budget runs a significant surplus for the next few decades. In PoliSci shorthand, that probably means strict constitutional constructionist and fiscal reactionary. I am not sure what party I should support, because no major party endorses anything remotely like those beliefs. That said, I am convinced they are correct.

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    Re: The difference between Liberals and the left

    Excellent post TW. I know I have beaten the moderate subject to death, and maybe I do not know what a moderate is suppose to be or where they fall in the political scope, what I do know is that I am opposed to extremism in politics. Growing up in a Republican household in Alabama I pretty much understood that liberals were the enemy of the US; and they were waiting in the bushes to spring socialism on the federal government.

    Most of my adult, working life I still believed this. This all changed with the 1994 mid term elections, with Newt Gingrich being elected Speaker, the Republican congressional landslide, aided by the extremist on the right which included the "religious right". Gingrich's Contract with America drove me away from the Republican Party forever.

    I was never a huge fan of Obama, but, to my knowledge, he never sold out our country for personal or financial gain. While I have been left of center for quite a while, I am wary of the progressive movement's attempt to gain control of the DNC. The Republican Party has sold out to
    Trump and it will likely lose both houses and the WH in 2020 and quite frankly they deserve to be embarrassed.
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    Re: The difference between Liberals and the left

    It really matters of what you define "liberal". I think not all "liberals" are left, but all are probably not to the right. I think the common term associated with American Liberals in the modern day is far different from what Jefferson was.

    But what I think they are trying to get at in this article is a difference between a neo-liberal democrat and a regressive left liberal. Which yes there is a difference, but there is a difference between a neo-LIBERAL conservative and a trumper. So I'm really trying to see what the author's goal is other than to say "The looney left is the majority of the Democratic Party so you neo libs need to come to the "sane" side of the aisle because we share common goals".
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