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    Re: ...Alabama...sigh...you've done it again

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    I don't think you can have a serious conversation about decreasing abortions without also discussing how to provide broader access to and education on contraceptives.
    Do you mean access to contraceptives or access to contraceptives at government expense?
    I think it will be hard for history to look at a Republican party, that tried to stop abortions while also decreasing access to contraceptives and quality healthcare for women, as being on the right side of history on the abortion issue.
    If an organization like Planned Parenthood says, "We are only about women's health." Anti-abortion people might say, "Okay, then offer every form of women's health care except abortion, and then see what happens to opposition to funding Planned Parentood." I would argue that such opposition to drop to near zero. If that is true, what is opposition to Planned Parenthood about, women's health care or abortion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tidewater View Post
    Do you mean access to contraceptives or access to contraceptives at government expense?

    If an organization like Planned Parenthood says, "We are only about women's health." Anti-abortion people might say, "Okay, then offer every form of women's health care except abortion, and then see what happens to opposition to funding Planned Parentood." I would argue that such opposition to drop to near zero. If that is true, what is opposition to Planned Parenthood about, women's health care or abortion?
    I answered that question already. And again, you're trying to have different argument than the one I'm having. But thanks

    Edit: I get where you're going but its a debate I've had a billion times and have no interest in redoing.
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    Re: ...Alabama...sigh...you've done it again

    Quote Originally Posted by RollTide_HTTR View Post
    I answered that question already. And again, you're trying to have different argument than the one I'm having. But thanks

    Edit: I get where you're going but its a debate I've had a billion times and have no interest in redoing.
    Fair enough. Saying "Republicans are opposed to women's health," is a thesis that should be verifiable or deniable. If there was some organization that offered women's health without offering abortion services, and Republicans still opposed funding that organization, then the premise "Republicans are opposed to women's health" would hold true. (There may not be such an organization; I simply do not know). In the absence of such a case, I would dismiss the rhetorical sleight of hand as partisan maneuvering.

    Republicans do it too. State they want to reduce the number of abortions, and put forth a bill which ostensibly does that, and then slip in a provision to deny abortions to victims of rape and incest, knowing that Democrats/moderates cannot support the bill. A reasonable person would ask whether Republicans really want to reduce the number of abortions, or are looking for a cudgel to beat their opponents over the head with in the next election (e.g. "My opponent voted against a bill that would have limited the number of abortions!")

    I think partisan politics is a form of mental illness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tidewater View Post
    Fair enough. Saying "Republicans are opposed to women's health," is a thesis that should be verifiable or deniable. If there was some organization that offered women's health without offering abortion services, and Republicans still opposed funding that organization, then the premise "Republicans are opposed to women's health" would hold true. (There may not be such an organization; I simply do not know). In the absence of such a case, I would dismiss the rhetorical sleight of hand as partisan maneuvering.

    Republicans do it too. State they want to reduce the number of abortions, and put forth a bill which ostensibly does that, and then slip in a provision to deny abortions to victims of rape and incest, knowing that Democrats/moderates cannot support the bill. A reasonable person would ask whether Republicans really want to reduce the number of abortions, or are looking for a cudgel to beat their opponents over the head with in the next election (e.g. "My opponent voted against a bill that would have limited the number of abortions!")

    I think partisan politics is a form of mental illness.
    I don't think Republicans specifically are opposed to women's health. I'd argue they are apathetic towards women's health as are most of the men in this country and most of the politicians.
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    https://www.al.com/news/2019/08/trum...ieeFyG9S3GCjME

    Gee, Roy Moore might be better?

    Tuberville repeated the criticism of veterans care Saturday, but praised North Alabama Republican Congressman Mo Brooks at the head table as a politician who will also take a stand. Tuberville said that Trump has “saved this country, folks, he’s saved it” from socialism, which Tuberville said Democrats want to bring to America.
    Tuberville called for returning God to public schools and criticized states that permit some religion, but not Christianity. “There are 10 states in this country that a certain faith can pray five times a day in public schools, but our kids can’t say the Lord’s Prayer. A double standard. We’re losing because we’ve got our eyes closed,” Tuberville said.

    Why don't Tommy go back to Mississippi where he came from?

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    Re: ...Alabama...sigh...you've done it again

    Quote Originally Posted by seebell View Post
    https://www.al.com/news/2019/08/trum...ieeFyG9S3GCjME

    Gee, Roy Moore might be better?

    Tuberville repeated the criticism of veterans care Saturday, but praised North Alabama Republican Congressman Mo Brooks at the head table as a politician who will also take a stand. Tuberville said that Trump has “saved this country, folks, he’s saved it” from socialism, which Tuberville said Democrats want to bring to America.
    Tuberville called for returning God to public schools and criticized states that permit some religion, but not Christianity. “There are 10 states in this country that a certain faith can pray five times a day in public schools, but our kids can’t say the Lord’s Prayer. A double standard. We’re losing because we’ve got our eyes closed,” Tuberville said.

    Why don't Tommy go back to Mississippi where he came from?
    Because he's from Arkansas?
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    Re: ...Alabama...sigh...you've done it again

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    Because he's from Arkansas?
    That explains alot. Said in jest but I believe there is a thread on Arkansas fans from a couple of years ago. It was hilarious and I am not convinced it was far off from reality based upon my limited dealings with Arkansas natives.

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    Re: ...Alabama...sigh...you've done it again

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    Because he's from Arkansas?
    Get off my case Smarty Pants! Didn't Tubs go from Ole Miss to Auburn? Yesiree Bob! What does from really mean?

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    Re: ...Alabama...sigh...you've done it again

    Quote Originally Posted by seebell View Post
    Get off my case Smarty Pants! Didn't Tubs go from Ole Miss to Auburn? Yesiree Bob! What does from really mean?
    He'd be risking his life to go back to Oxford. By chance, my wife and sisters hired his attorney to represent them in a property dispute with their brother. We were in a courtroom over there, rehearsing testimony, when he got a cell call. I could piece together who he was talking to and what was about to happen. Jay then cut the session short. When we came back, I predicted what was about to happen on the football board and got ridiculed - for a little while...
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    ...Alabama...sigh...you've done it again

    What 10 states don’t allow Christians to pray? If a Christian wants to say a prayer before lunch or a test, no one will stop them. Tubs don’t know what he is talking about.

    Here is an article about a high school in Texas. Yes, they have Muslim prayer room but, other religious groups exist on campus as well, including Fellowship of Christian Athletes. https://religionnews.com/2017/04/17/...om-commentary/

    I was never going to vote for Tubs anyway because he supports Trump, but man this is sad. Just another GOP trying to ride the Trump wave with no real voice of his own.

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