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Close - Reince Priebus

Have a mutual acquaintance that told me a couple of months back "He has absolutely no idea about Alabama politics. He's lost." Not sure why Tubs would have even hired him.
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Is there a link to this? I couldn’t find anything about him chairing the campaign.


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I have accepted the fact Doug Jones will likely lose his Senate seat. But can the Republicans not find someone decent?

Roy Moore is Roy Moore.
Tommy Tuberville is Trump’s lapdog.
Mo Brooks said the women soccer players should leave the country and blamed rising sea levels on rocks.
Bradley Byrne offered to buy tickets out of the country for the Congresswomen Trump called out.
John Merrill says gay TV shows and wife swap shows are the downfall of society.


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Aren’t the toll road and gas tax state issues and not the concern of the federal government?


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Since when has a little thing like the 10th Amendment stopped the feds from stepping into things that are reserved for the states?

Fact is, support of states rights is more a function of whose ox is being gored.

If it's something we want, like better roads, we want the feds' help even though it's the state's job to take care of the roads.

If it's something we don't want, like the feds' interference with what we perceive to be none of their business, we invoke states rights.
 
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Since when has a little thing like the 10th Amendment stopped the feds from stepping into things that are reserved for the states?

Fact is, support of states rights is more a function of whose ox is being gored.

If it's something we want, like better roads, we want the feds' help even though it's the state's job to take care of the roads.

If it's something we don't want, like the feds' interference with what we perceive to be none of their business, we invoke states rights.
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It's worth noting that the federal money came originally from the states, anyway, in the form of the gas tax...
 
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Crimson1967 said:
I have accepted the fact Doug Jones will likely lose his Senate seat. But can the Republicans not find someone decent?

Roy Moore is Roy Moore.
Tommy Tuberville is Trump’s lapdog.
Mo Brooks said the women soccer players should leave the country and blamed rising sea levels on rocks.
Bradley Byrne offered to buy tickets out of the country for the Congresswomen Trump called out.
John Merrill says gay TV shows and wife swap shows are the downfall of society.


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You're saying that because a no candidate is perfect, none are even decent.

Neither Moore (a whack job of the first order) nor Merrill (a politically amoral person who will say or do anything to be elected) are decent. Tuberville is running because he wants to hear the roar of the crowd again, and Brooks doesn't give the outward impression of being all that smart.

I'm hearing good things about Byrne, though. Mainly from a Democrat friend who's known him since high school. Says he's more of a classic conservative with a Libertarian streak than the recent ideological version of conservatism that has an unhealthy amount of religious fundamentalism mixed in. Unabashedly to the right of center, but more independent than you might think -- kind of like Neil Gorsuch on SCOTUS.
 
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You're saying that because a no candidate is perfect, none are even decent.

Neither Moore (a whack job of the first order) nor Merrill (a politically amoral person who will say or do anything to be elected) are decent. Tuberville is running because he wants to hear the roar of the crowd again, and Brooks doesn't give the outward impression of being all that smart.

I'm hearing good things about Byrne, though. Mainly from a Democrat friend who's known him since high school. Says he's more of a classic conservative with a Libertarian streak than the recent ideological version of conservatism that has an unhealthy amount of religious fundamentalism mixed in. Unabashedly to the right of center, but more independent than you might think -- kind of like Neil Gorsuch on SCOTUS.
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he may not have the unhealthy amount of religious fundamentalism mixed in (i seriously doubt that with any alabama gop'er), but telling folks to go back to their country (assuming he did what 67 posted above) is an unabashedly racist act. that's unlikely to be a major sticking point in that race though.
 
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he may not have the unhealthy amount of religious fundamentalism mixed in (i seriously doubt that with any alabama gop'er), but telling folks to go back to their country (assuming he did what 67 posted above) is an unabashedly racist act. that's unlikely to be a major sticking point in that race though.
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He didn't tell anybody to go back to where they came from. He said that, if they were unhappy with America, and felt that Socialism would be better, he'd be happy to fly them to Venezuela so they could live in a Socialist Paradise.

“If AOC and the crew of Socialist Democrats are so angry with our country, then I’m offering to pay for their ticket to Venezuela so they can enjoy their failed Socialist Paradise,”

Here's the full article:

https://yellowhammernews.com/byrne-offers-to-pay-airfare-for-aoc-the-squad-to-go-live-in-venezuela/

Big difference between saying (1) you don't belong here....go back where you came from, vs. (2) if you think your policies are so good, go live with their end result and see if you like that.
 
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He didn't tell anybody to go back to where they came from. He said that, if they were unhappy with America, and felt that Socialism would be better, he'd be happy to fly them to Venezuela so they could live in a Socialist Paradise.

“If AOC and the crew of Socialist Democrats are so angry with our country, then I’m offering to pay for their ticket to Venezuela so they can enjoy their failed Socialist Paradise,”

Here's the full article: https://yellowhammernews.com/byrne-...c-the-squad-to-go-live-in-venezuela/undefined

Big difference between saying (1) you don't belong here....go back where you came from, vs. (2) if you think your policies are so good, go live with their end result and see if you like that.
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ok, thanks for the clarification. that's just stupid and not racist. he could also offer them tickets to germany, norway, denmark, etc. so they can live with the end result of policies similar to what they propose.

he is a religious zealot though. even going so far as to spread lies about "after birth abortions"

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For most of the history of our country, it was widely accepted, as I firmly believe now, that life begins at conception, that we are all fearfully and wonderfully made in God’s image. The thought of prematurely ending a pregnancy was considered in stark, unreconcilable contrast to the principles of our founding of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Support for the rights of the unborn was not a partisan political issue. The taking of an innocent life created by God was wrong and always would be.

How times have changed! Since Roe v. Wade, support for abortion has steadily grown stronger within the Democratic Party. Today, with the party almost completely taken over by its radical, progressive wing, abortion has become a litmus test for candidates. Whether its late-term abortions or even so-called after-birth abortions – what we in Alabama would call murder – Democrats seem to be trying to outdo one another by how far outside of the mainstream they can fall on this issue.
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For the record, my original comment was that Byrne offered to buy tickets out of the country for the women Trump called out. Which is exactly what he said. Not racist, but he was piggybacking on Trump’s racist comments.

I find the whole “America, love it or leave it” attitude disturbing. I do not want to live in a country I am forced to love. Byrne’s comment is a subtle way of attacking free speech. Nobody (at least not me) told Trump he was being anti-American for not loving Obama’s policies. Nobody told him to go back to Germany or Scotland.

So, no, I don’t want someone with Byrne’s viewpoint representing me. If he had spoken out against Trump’s comments and said while he disagreed with their socialist politics, he welcomed them into the House and thanked them for contributing to the marketplace of ideas, I would be seriously considering voting for him.

But this is Alabama and the idiots who comment on Yellowhammer News would be calling him a RINO.


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Since when has a little thing like the 10th Amendment stopped the feds from stepping into things that are reserved for the states?

Fact is, support of states rights is more a function of whose ox is being gored.

If it's something we want, like better roads, we want the feds' help even though it's the state's job to take care of the roads.

If it's something we don't want, like the feds' interference with what we perceive to be none of their business, we invoke states rights.
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Mentioned in another thread, but Rebuild Alabama takes away the need for federal money in road costs.
 
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he is a religious zealot though. even going so far as to spread lies about "after birth abortions"
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I cannot address Byrne (who appears to be the candidate you are talking about), but Governor Ralph Northam of Virginia did explicitly talk about this in public. This came out just before Northam's college yearbook photos hit the media and I said at the time that this was more outrageous than the yearbook photos.
On 1/30/2019, on WTOP’s Ask The Governor, VA Democrat Governor Ralph Northam defended the VA Dem’s 40-week abortion bill saying,
“If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”
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"Delivered" means outside the mother's body, no longer attached to the mother, I would argue.
So if the family did not want the infant to be resuscitated, the doctor would let the infant die. And if, after the conversation with the family, if they wanted to let the infant die, the doctor would let it die.
You may not like the procedure Northam described, but he is talking unambiguously about letting a delivered infant die postpartum.
 
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I cannot address Byrne (who appears to be the candidate you are talking about), but Governor Ralph Northam of Virginia did explicitly talk about this in public. This came out just before Northam's college yearbook photos hit the media and I said at the time that this was more outrageous than the yearbook photos.
On 1/30/2019, on WTOP’s Ask The Governor, VA Democrat Governor Ralph Northam defended the VA Dem’s 40-week abortion bill saying,
"Delivered" means outside the mother's body, no longer attached to the mother, I would argue.
So if the family did not want the infant to be resuscitated, the doctor would let the infant die. And if, after the conversation with the family, if they wanted to let the infant die, the doctor would let it die.
You may not like the procedure Northam described, but he is talking unambiguously about letting a delivered infant die postpartum.
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i have seen that multiple times and know exactly what he said and am familiar with all of the spin folks are trying to put on this to say he is doing something akin to murder. i stand by what i said.
 
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i have seen that multiple times and know exactly what he said and am familiar with all of the spin folks are trying to put on this to say he is doing something akin to murder. i stand by what i said.
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More's the pity.
I would bet that folks in one hundred years are going to look back on pro-abortion folks today in much the same way we now look at pro-slavery people a century and a half ago. People today ask, "How could they possibly not know how wrong that was?" In the future, the same question may be leveled against today's Democrats.
John C. Calhoun famously said, "slavery is a positive good." The party fanatically refused to countenance any restrictions whatsoever on the institution. There was a reaction to Democratic pro-slavery arguments. Unfortunately, a lot of the good policies that Democrats supported were swept away by the revulsion to Democrats' fanatical defense of slavery.
I wonder how many of the good policies Democrats support today will be swept away by the revulsion to the pro-abortion policies embraced by today's Democratic party.
Not too long ago, Democrats argued that abortion should be "safe, legal and rare." The party has become much more radical on abortion in the years since.

Abortion Is Morally Good
Abortion as a Positive Good: How the Abortion Movement Echoes Radical Slavery Rhetoric
Abortion supporters have made Trump's reelection more likely.
 
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More's the pity.
I would bet that folks in one hundred years are going to look back on pro-abortion folks today in much the same way we now look at pro-slavery people a century and a half ago. People today ask, "How could they possibly not know how wrong that was?" In the future, the same question may be leveled against today's Democrats.
John C. Calhoun famously said, "slavery is a positive good." The party fanatically refused to countenance any restrictions whatsoever on the institution. There was a reaction to Democratic pro-slavery arguments. Unfortunately, a lot of the good policies that Democrats supported were swept away by the revulsion to Democrats' fanatical defense of slavery.
I wonder how many of the good policies Democrats support today will be swept away by the revulsion to the pro-abortion policies embraced by today's Democratic party.
Not too long ago, Democrats argued that abortion should be "safe, legal and rare." The party has become much more radical on abortion in the years since.

Abortion Is Morally Good
Abortion as a Positive Good: How the Abortion Movement Echoes Radical Slavery Rhetoric
Abortion supporters have made Trump's reelection more likely.
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bless your heart. i have noted your continued duplicity on matters related to abortion and will keep that in mind going forward.
 
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ok, thanks for the clarification. that's just stupid and not racist. he could also offer them tickets to germany, norway, denmark, etc. so they can live with the end result of policies similar to what they propose.

he is a religious zealot though. even going so far as to spread lies about "after birth abortions"

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Sending them to Europe wouldn't have the same punch sending them to Venzuela does. Byrne plays the game well, right up top the edge.
 
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