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    Re: How would you rank the top 10 college football programs of all-time?

    1. Alabama

    No program has won games and championships as consistently over time. Top 5 all-time wins and win percentage. Unsurpassed in national titles (save for #10). Claims NT's in every decade from the 1920's on except for the '50's and 80's.

    2. USC

    Could interchange with #3 or #4, but I favor consistency in championships slightly over consistency in wins.

    3. Notre Dame

    Some want to use recency bias against them despite the fact they remain relevant, playing in one BCSNCG and the playoff last year. There are few who can measure up to Alabama over time and until CNS came along this program was arguably number one all-time. The trend is downward, but that doesn't remove history. The recent dirth of championships compared to #2 does take them further down the list than I expected.

    4. Michigan

    Number one in all-time wins and the same number of titles as numbers 2-3, but titles are front-loaded. Hard to believe 49 years passed between their next to last and last title, with the last being 22 years ago. Could easily put Ohio St here, but this is all-time and not all-recent.

    5. Ohio St

    Later start to their greatness than Michigan and if based on the last 70 years only would easily outrank their hated rival. hmmmmmm...(sorry, couldn't resist)

    6. Oklahoma

    fact: 4 teams have as many or more titles than OU -Princeton, Yale, Pitt (what?! It's true, though), and Harvard - but Pitt is the only one to be relevant in the last 60-80 years with its last title in 1976 and falling a little short in 1981. That said, OU has been more consistent and is still quite relevant while the others aren't really even in the picture any more.

    7. Nebraska

    Similar resume to #8, but one more title tips the balance.

    8. Texas

    #4 in terms of wins, but only 4 titles.

    9. Tennessee

    More titles than #7-8, and though still top 10 in wins they lag far behind the Cornhuskers and Longhorns in wins and win percentage.

    10. Tie: Princeton/Yale

    No, they aren't relevant today but are still more deserving of a mention here than others based on a number of factors. This is an all-time list, after all. These were the early powerhouses of college football and paved the way for others. Several others have been more relevant of late, but they have their own deficiencies in terms of wins, winning percentage, number of titles, and consistency (not to mention sportsmanship and moral fortitude). The pickings are really slim by this point, so why not honor the two teams with more titles together than the next 4 teams behind them including Alabama, ND, UM, and USC?
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    Re: How would you rank the top 10 college football programs of all-time?

    How about programs like Mount Union and North Dakota State that have dominated other levels? They don't compete directly with these teams but for their level they have been dominating programs.

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    Re: How would you rank the top 10 college football programs of all-time?

    Quote Originally Posted by IndyBison View Post
    How about programs like Mount Union and North Dakota State that have dominated other levels? They don't compete directly with these teams but for their level they have been dominating programs.
    IMO, you cannot rank them with P5 programs. If either had to play in a P5 conference, they would have achieved absolutely nothing. But they are absolutely among the best lower division programs in history - just on a different list.

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    Re: How would you rank the top 10 college football programs of all-time?

    Quote Originally Posted by B1GTide View Post
    If either had to play in a P5 conference, they would have achieved absolutely nothing. .
    I don't know about that. NDSU has made a habit of embarrassing BIG 10 and BIG 12 teams over the years, and their inclusion to a P5 conference could effectively kill recruiting bases like Nebraska and Minnesota. I know it sounds crazy but in many cases the difference between going to Iowa, Nebraska, and Minnesota as opposed to NDSU for a South Dakota and Northern Iowa recruit is exposure.

    I'm not saying NDSU would be beating teams like Oklahoma, Ohio st, or Michigan if they were to join either, but its not unrealistic for them to be a middle of the pack to a slightly above middle of the pack contender.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 81usaf92 View Post
    I don't know about that. NDSU has made a habit of embarrassing BIG 10 and BIG 12 teams over the years,
    Have they ever beat a top 10 ranked team, much less 2 or 3 in a season? Boise State and Central Florida are teams like NDSU. Very talented for their level of competition, but have them play a complete P5 schedule and their lack of depth becomes obvious. Even Notre Dame would have smoked NDSU this year, and they were far and away the weakest team in the CFP. NDSU loses by 30+ points to all of the CFP teams this year.

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    Re: How would you rank the top 10 college football programs of all-time?

    Quote Originally Posted by B1GTide View Post
    Have they ever beat a top 10 ranked team, much less 2 or 3 in a season? Boise State and Central Florida are teams like NDSU. Very talented for their level of competition, but have them play a complete P5 schedule and their lack of depth becomes obvious. Even Notre Dame would have smoked NDSU this year, and they were far and away the weakest team in the CFP. NDSU loses by 30+ points to all of the CFP teams this year.
    Iowa was #13 in 2016 when they played.
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    Re: How would you rank the top 10 college football programs of all-time?

    Quote Originally Posted by 81usaf92 View Post
    Iowa was #13 in 2016 when they played.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 81usaf92 View Post
    Iowa was #13 in 2016 when they played.
    Iowa finished with 4 losses and unranked, destroyed by Penn St. and Florida, who cares what iowa was ranked after week 2..... You proved B1Gs point......

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    Re: How would you rank the top 10 college football programs of all-time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wakecrash View Post
    Iowa finished with 4 losses and unranked, destroyed by Penn St. and Florida, who cares what iowa was ranked after week 2..... You proved B1Gs point......
    Gee who cares what Florida St was ranked week 1 in 2017... blue font.

    See how that works. NDSU would be a middle of the pack team if they went to either league. They arenít your ordinary FCS team, and would bury teams like Nebraska, Minnesota, and Iowa St in regional recruiting if the FBS tag was placed on.
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    Re: How would you rank the top 10 college football programs of all-time?

    Quote Originally Posted by 81usaf92 View Post
    NDSU would be a middle of the pack team if they went to either league. They aren’t your ordinary FCS team, and would bury teams like Nebraska, Minnesota, and Iowa St in regional recruiting if the FBS tag was placed on.
    I won't argue that, but it makes my point. If either had to play in a P5 conference, they would have achieved absolutely nothing.

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    Re: How would you rank the top 10 college football programs of all-time?

    Woulda, coulda, shoulda - doesn't matter. Did they?
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    Re: How would you rank the top 10 college football programs of all-time?

    Quote Originally Posted by B1GTide View Post
    I won't argue that, but it makes my point. If either had to play in a P5 conference, they would have achieved absolutely nothing.
    BIG is right. What so many overlook is not just the individual game, but the mental and physical grind of a P5 (and SEC-W) schedule.

    NDSU, Boise, UCF, and any number of other Kannell darlings would wear down like balsa wood in the second half of a P5 schedule, even the Pac-12.

    The deal is, when they play a major school, it's almost always in the first game or a bowl game. So (1) they're supremely motivated and rested, (2) the P5 opposition couldn't care less about the game, and (3) they have anywhere from a month to a whole offseason to prepare for a single game. After which, they either have no game for 9 months, or a G5 (or smaller) school two weeks later.

    If they played a P5 schedule, they wouldn't have time to recover from grown-man physical games. They wouldn't have multiple weeks or months to study film. Both OL and DL would be ground to talcum powder by mid-October, and they wouldn't win a game in November.

    They deserve all the credit in the world at their level. But mention as a Top 10 all time football program? No.
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