dang it, i am getting my 70s shows mixed up again.That came on after love boat. You guys may be on fantasy island come to think of it.
now i guess you are going to tell me that colonel steve austin didn't fly an invisible plane.
dang it, i am getting my 70s shows mixed up again.That came on after love boat. You guys may be on fantasy island come to think of it.
Again slaveholders were a majority in no southern state. Nonslaveholders were not concerned with losing their slaves because they did not have any slaves to lose. Why would they embrace independence from the Union?"some southerners complaining about the threat to their slaveholding"
Interesting. The British rode that philosophy all the way to Irish independence in the 1920s.All I know is the North won, the South lost, and we are better for it. Victors have the right to write the history and the right to make the demands at the peace table.
Had the CSA won I seriously doubt anyone could hold off the Germans and Russians from permanently owning France and the Balkans. So unless you think the Germans and Russians are better world powers than us then I think we all came out better that Dixie lost.Interesting. The British rode that philosophy all the way to Irish independence in the 1920s.
That is interesting hypothetical. Maybe without U.S. participation in World War I, there would have been no Nazis, no Soviets and no World War II.Had the CSA won I seriously doubt anyone could hold off the Germans and Russians from permanently owning France and the Balkans. So unless you think the Germans and Russians are better world powers than us then I think we all came out better that Dixie lost.
sweet merciful jesus, please make it stop. this is reaching parody. slaveholders held the power. slavery was protected in their constitution. many of the the notices for secession specifically mentioned slavery as the reason. this list goes on. and this doesn't even get into that one large segment of the population that had no voice at all.Again slaveholders were a majority in no southern state. Nonslaveholders were not concerned with losing their slaves because they did not have any slaves to lose. Why would they embrace independence from the Union?
In my view, the democratic thing and the constitutional thing for the president to have done was to acknowledge the withdrawal of the seceded states (the seven that withdrew before he took office: SC, MS, FL, AL, GA, LA, TX), and give them a bill for their share of the national debt as it existed at that time.
Then, purchase all the 1,798 slaves in the state of Delaware (an average of $1,000/slave= $1,789,000). Get Republicans in Congress to pass an abolition amendment (now a Congress without reps from the Deep South), send the amendment to the states for adoption. 35 states before secession, -7=28 states. 3/4 of those is 21. 20 "free" states, plus Delaware, recently made effectively into a free state =21. The amendment is adopted. Then, do not enter into any treaty with the Confederate States to return runaway slaves (just as Great Britain/Canada refused to do with the United States before the war). Every slave who sneaks across the Alabama-Tennessee line (or the North Carolina-South Carolina line, etc.) is now free. How long would slavery survive in the Deep South under those circumstances?
A democratic, constitutional, effective, and cheap end to slavery.
There would be Soviets, but maybe no Nazis and no Treaty of Versailles. But the point still remains, we would be weaker as a nation and a continent had the South won, and its hard to argue otherwise.That is interesting hypothetical. Maybe without U.S. participation in World War I, there would have been no Nazis, no Soviets
Certainly preferable to 1.6M or so casualties IMO.Again slaveholders were a majority in no southern state. Nonslaveholders were not concerned with losing their slaves because they did not have any slaves to lose. Why would they embrace independence from the Union?
In my view, the democratic thing and the constitutional thing for the president to have done was to acknowledge the withdrawal of the seceded states (the seven that withdrew before he took office: SC, MS, FL, AL, GA, LA, TX), and give them a bill for their share of the national debt as it existed at that time.
Then, purchase all the 1,798 slaves in the state of Delaware (an average of $1,000/slave= $1,789,000). Get Republicans in Congress to pass an abolition amendment (now a Congress without reps from the Deep South), send the amendment to the states for adoption. 35 states before secession, -7=28 states. 3/4 of those is 21. 20 "free" states, plus Delaware, recently made effectively into a free state =21. The amendment is adopted. Then, do not enter into any treaty with the Confederate States to return runaway slaves (just as Great Britain/Canada refused to do with the United States before the war). Every slave who sneaks across the Alabama-Tennessee line (or the North Carolina-South Carolina line, etc.) is now free. How long would slavery survive in the Deep South under those circumstances?
A democratic, constitutional, effective, and cheap end to slavery.
I guess you have no issue with the Germans invading Poland because about 80-90% of Germans had no direct connection to the Nazi Party and the French were the real bad guys for breaking Germany up at Versailles.Again slaveholders were a majority in no southern state. Nonslaveholders were not concerned with losing their slaves because they did not have any slaves to lose. Why would they embrace independence from the Union?
In my view, the democratic thing and the constitutional thing for the president to have done was to acknowledge the withdrawal of the seceded states (the seven that withdrew before he took office: SC, MS, FL, AL, GA, LA, TX), and give them a bill for their share of the national debt as it existed at that time.
Then, purchase all the 1,798 slaves in the state of Delaware (an average of $1,000/slave= $1,789,000). Get Republicans in Congress to pass an abolition amendment (now a Congress without reps from the Deep South), send the amendment to the states for adoption. 35 states before secession, -7=28 states. 3/4 of those is 21. 20 "free" states, plus Delaware, recently made effectively into a free state =21. The amendment is adopted. Then, do not enter into any treaty with the Confederate States to return runaway slaves (just as Great Britain/Canada refused to do with the United States before the war). Every slave who sneaks across the Alabama-Tennessee line (or the North Carolina-South Carolina line, etc.) is now free. How long would slavery survive in the Deep South under those circumstances?
A democratic, constitutional, effective, and cheap end to slavery.
I think you should read a bit more about Alabama history. Alabamians were famously jealous of prerogatives. Any politician who talked down to nonslaveholders would find himself thrown out of office. In any case, in the election for the state convention consisted of universal white male enfranchisement and a secret ballot.slaveholders held the power.
A reason. If all it was about was slavery, then they would have stated as much and left it at that. Instead, they said things like:slavery was protected in their constitution. many of the the notices for secession specifically mentioned slavery as the reason.
And black folk did not vote in any state west of New York city. Women voted in no state.this list goes on. and this doesn't even get into that one large segment of the population that had no voice at all.
I'll give it a rest at this point.you can keep up the lost cause stuff (sorry, not lost cause, just the "real" reasons that had absolutely nothing to do with slavery) pretending that secession was about something other than slavery, but there aren't a lot of folks who are going to take you seriously after reading more than a few posts.