Question For My Blue Friends: Why All The Deference to Ocasio-Cortez?

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I honestly don't give her more attention than any other elected politician. It's the right who are keeping the spotlight on her ideas and the megaphone in her hand.

Why do you care if she's arguing with moderate Democrats who wanted to empower ICE? You're giving into the Fox boogeyman narrative when you shrink in fear over her "taking names" comment while Pelosi was in the same room, saying the same thing, trying to keep the moderates from jumping ship.

As for your dire predictions of financial ruin, you must be referring to the Green New Deal, which isn't even a piece of legislation. Broadly speaking, for young people who plan to be alive in 50 years, we would really appreciate if the older generations would kindly step aside and let us fix the mess that they keep ignoring. To do so, you seem to think that Emperor AOC would somehow rise to power and demand high-speed train networks alongside the creation of a vast renewable energy infrastructure and widespread retrofitting of every existing building within our borders, bankrupting our economy. Again, you're falling into the Fox narrative of fear. The GND is just a list of ambitious ideas, not an actual bill, and there is literally no reality where everything listed therein occurs simultaneously. The only reason it's still being talked about (and getting more popular with exposure) is because the right is obsessed and because Fox wants to direct your thinking in an irrational direction.

Let's be frank: it's the Republicans who are actively crippling our economy before the next recession, using tax subsidies for the uber-rich and an insane amount of deficit spending during a bull market. They invoke the dread of "socialism" to distract from this reality. With AOC specifically, the right is building up a straw-woman just so they can demonize her, because they know fear is the strongest motivator for their constituents. Don't fall for it.
Great post. I especially like what you said in the bolded part. One of the reasons a freshman congresswoman has this much influence is due to the spotlight others put on her. I would add a few other reasons why she's influential-
1) She knows how to leverage social media to her advantage which gives her a HUGE platform. She can connect with more constituents in 30 seconds than her fellow politicians can on any interview of your news source of choice.
2) She is prepared. Look at the hearing last week. She was the only one that didnt grandstand, she asked her questions, and even didn't use all of her time. It was purposeful and concise.
3) She has worked her way up quickly, and millennials identify with her.

Now, I don't often agree with her as our worldviews are different (even through I am only 7-8 years older than her) , and probably wouldn't have voted for her. But, I do recognize what she is doing and she is doing it well. I think she is the direction the democratic party is heading with the millennial generation. There will be more politicians like her in the future and they'll soon outnumber the old guard.
 

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I think she is the direction the democratic party is heading with the millennial generation. There will be more politicians like her in the future and they'll soon outnumber the old guard.
I would also point out that if you ask a lot of Europeans about America's political parties they would say that America has a conservative/centrist party and an extremely conservative party.

All of the continued screeching about the evil leftists and socialists is partly a symptom of our politics being so far to the right of a lot of the rest of the modern world and partly a symptom of long term brainwashing from right wing media. There has been a bit of polling done to suggest that when you take some of the propaganda out of the equation that some of her "looniest ideas" are supported by a majority of Americans.
 

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I love the whole thing that I will call the "Linda Sarsour*" effect

as in this is a person I rarely to never hear about from my left wing friends but can't go a day and not hear about from my few remaining right wing friends. I see a similar pattern with AOC. The difference is with AOC every time she is attacked she seems to get stronger and yet the right can't seem to help themselves. If they would just shut up about her she would fade to the background

*don't even know that this name is right or who she is outside of being a right wing boogey-woman
 

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I love the whole thing that I will call the "Linda Sarsour*" effect

as in this is a person I rarely to never hear about from my left wing friends but can't go a day and not hear about from my few remaining right wing friends. I see a similar pattern with AOC. The difference is with AOC every time she is attacked she seems to get stronger and yet the right can't seem to help themselves. If they would just shut up about her she would fade to the background

*don't even know that this name is right or who she is outside of being a right wing boogey-woman
Brother you just dropped the hammer "smack dab" on the proverbial nail's head. It's just like that girl in HS I dated that my mama absolutely hated. The more she expressed it the more I liked the crazy chick. LOL!
 

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I guess I'm the outlier here, but my FB feed (which is pretty evenly divided between left and right-leaning folks) has as many pro-AOC posts / memes as it does anti. My left-leaning friends are very fond of her.
 

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I love the whole thing that I will call the "Linda Sarsour*" effect

as in this is a person I rarely to never hear about from my left wing friends but can't go a day and not hear about from my few remaining right wing friends. I see a similar pattern with AOC. The difference is with AOC every time she is attacked she seems to get stronger and yet the right can't seem to help themselves. If they would just shut up about her she would fade to the background

*don't even know that this name is right or who she is outside of being a right wing boogey-woman
Similar to what I hear from the left about Rush or whoever. I never hear about Rush from the conservatives I know; it's always from the left. I haven't known where on the dial to find his program in probably 10 years.
 

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I guess I'm the outlier here, but my FB feed (which is pretty evenly divided between left and right-leaning folks) has as many pro-AOC posts / memes as it does anti. My left-leaning friends are very fond of her.
Oh yeah, my FB feed is thick with posts slobbering all over AOC. I drew the ire of some when I responded that I don't take economic lessons from bartenders. Of course, that made me a misogynist and racist. Highly predictable response.
 

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Oh yeah, my FB feed is thick with posts slobbering all over AOC. I drew the ire of some when I responded that I don't take economic lessons from bartenders. Of course, that made me a misogynist and racist. Highly predictable response.
While I don't agree with many of the ideas she espouses, I'd be happy to listen to anything she has to present. I'd much rather have someone on fire with fresh ideas - even if I believe they're wrong - than listen to some career politician pontificate about how their experience somehow helps them understand the issues better, despite their never solving any real issues.
 

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While I don't agree with many of the ideas she espouses, I'd be happy to listen to anything she has to present. I'd much rather have someone on fire with fresh ideas - even if I believe they're wrong - than listen to some career politician pontificate about how their experience somehow helps them understand the issues better, despite their never solving any real issues.
Yeah, I certainly don't have much use for typical politician-speak. So formulaic. I obviously don't agree with AOC's big government/socialist solutions, but I'd have more respect for her proposals if they were tethered to reality just a little bit. And, it would be refreshing it she would say, "We need X and Y and Z. And because we'd all benefit from these things, we all need to pay for them." The "like, I deserve X and Y and Z and the people at the tippy top can pay for it 'cause, like, that's fair and stuff" is infantile and divisive and cowardly IMO. If something is really important you should be willing to pay for it.
 

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Oh yeah, my FB feed is thick with posts slobbering all over AOC. I drew the ire of some when I responded that I don't take economic lessons from bartenders. Of course, that made me a misogynist and racist. Highly predictable response.
Not knowing the context, it sounds like you were using her prior job to invalidate her economics degree, which probably went over about as well as you intended. And in case you were curious (Narrator: you were not) she was working in that bar to help supplement her mother's income after her father had died of cancer while she was away in school.

But of course she's a stupid little girl who only wants handouts, and that's none of my business anyway.

 

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Not knowing the context, it sounds like you were using her prior job to invalidate her economics degree, which probably went over about as well as you intended. And in case you were curious (Narrator: you were not) she was working in that bar to help supplement her mother's income after her father had died of cancer while she was away in school.
I'm aware of her background and her lack of applied economics experience.
 

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Then I have absolutely no idea why people assumed you'd meant to belittle her.
Hmm, I didn't belittle her. I was telling the truth: I don't look to bartenders for any kind of advice other than asking what drinks they make well. But, because I don't think AOC is the greatest thing since sliced bread, it makes me a bad guy to the left-leaning FB twits.
 

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While I don't agree with many of the ideas she espouses, I'd be happy to listen to anything she has to present. I'd much rather have someone on fire with fresh ideas - even if I believe they're wrong - than listen to some career politician pontificate about how their experience somehow helps them understand the issues better, despite their never solving any real issues.
Exactly.

This is called being open minded.

It's also a referendum on what is needed from our politicians. New ideas and fresh faces that are presented with passion and energy.

I don't care what party you represent - please give us voters something to think about and consider that actually effects change - hopefully for the better....but as pointed out....sometimes those ideas are not exactly realistic. But at least you are trying AOC.....a positive by product of youth, I suspect.
 

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Hmm, I didn't belittle her. I was telling the truth: I don't look to bartenders for any kind of advice other than asking what drinks they make well.
I didn't belittle her he said, right before belittling her in the exact same way yet again.
 

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