Question For My Blue Friends: Why All The Deference to Ocasio-Cortez?

crimsonaudio

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*sigh*

Do we have to play the quiet game to stop the silly tit-for-tat? Neither of you are adding anything of value to the discussion at this point.
 

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I wonder what AOC thinks about Avery's chances to return ?


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Right. The only job she has had was as a bartender. And now she's in Congress. Cool. Some people might suggest a member of Congress should have a little thicker resume, but that might be offensive.



You guys? I speak only for myself. I have criticized the GOP attacking her as well. Quit being so tribal and understand that there are more than two opinions that are valid.
I'll have you know there is only one opinion that is valid.
 

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Wow! Ask a simple question early in the morning. Go to a busy day at work, and come back to 8+ pages of Am Not / Are Too.

First, Charmin, I'm not "shrinking in fear" of Occasio taking names in front of Nancy Pelosi. I'm gobsmacked that the Democratic leadership puts up with it. That was the whole point of the question.

I am shrinking in fear of what the economic policies she (Occasio) and several others -- Harris, Gillibrand, Sanders, Booker and I'm sure the other half of the endless string of Democratic candidates -- are pushing.

The Green New Deal is only part of it. And let's face facts, it was taken down only because even other Democrats laughed at the stated source of funding. But now Gillibrand is pushing it. Others are pushing reparations for slavery. Still others pushing reparations for American Indians / Native Americans. I'm sure some will push for both. The list goes on. Pretty soon, anybody who has an ancestor who was aggrieved by the powers that were in place at the time of their aggrievement will have grounds.

And the source of funds, if it is addressed at all, is always the same -- tax the rich and make banks lend the money. Rich being defined as somebody who makes more, or has more, than the advocates do, and ignoring the fact that banks don't lend much of their money at all....they lend their depositors' money.

So yes, I am gravely concerned about that. Mainly because the current president is a buffoon, who doesn't deserve the office. (Just FYI, as I've posted repeatedly on this forum, I didn't vote for him...I wrote in Nick Saban, no blue font.)

So if he gets voted out, the successor will likely be someone with the economic program I referenced. If they are successful in implementing it...and given the likely makeup of Congress, I think there's a good chance they would be...they will make the current trillion-dollar deficit (note, deficit, not national debt) look like a teaspoon in the ocean.

I'm not defending Republican spending. Quite the contrary. I'm saying that it's abhorrent. And you should too. So your fix is to blow it up more? Or to defend more spending by the blues by saying that the reds did it too?

That will jack interest rates up, which jacks up the discount rate at which income-producing assets are valued, which will tank said value. Simple math. Hell, it's not math; it's arithmetic.

My goodness, where are the adults?
 

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Do we have to play the quiet game to stop the silly tit-for-tat? Neither of you are adding anything of value to the discussion at this point.
Up to you ultimately.

At least it would stop the constant lying about what was said & the continued condescension being slung everyone else’s way when they try to explain it.
 

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She's catching on fast! :)

Ocasio-Cortez, chief of staff illegally moved $885K in campaign contributions 'off the books,' FEC complaint alleges

New York. Rep Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Saikat Chakrabarti, the progressive firebrand's multimillionaire chief of staff, apparently violated campaign finance law by working to funnel nearly $1 million in contributions from political action committees Chakrabarti established to private companies that he also controlled, according to an explosive complaint filed Monday with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) and obtained by Fox News.

The filing asserts that Chakrabarti established two political action commitees, the Brand New Congress PAC and Justice Democrats PAC, and then transfered more than $885,000 in contributions received by those PACs to the Brand New Congress LLC -- a company that, unlike the PACs, is exempt from reporting all of its expenditures over $200. The PACs claimed the payments were for "strategic consulting."
Although such transfers would not automatically be improper, the complaint, drafted by the conservative, Virginia-based National Legal and Policy Center (NLPC), argued that the goal of the "extensive" scheme was seemingly to illegally dodge detailed legal reporting requirements of the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971, which are designed to track the use of campaign expenditures intended for political campaigns.
Ocasio-Cortez and Chakrabarti, according to the complaint, appeared to have "orchestrated an extensive off-the-books operation to make hundreds of thousands of dollars in support of multiple candidates for federal office."
The funds, the NLPC writes, were apparently spent on campaign events for Ocasio-Cortez and other far-left Democratic candidates favored by Chakrabarti, who made his fortune in Silicon Valley and previously worked on Bernie Sanders' 2016 presidential campaign. But no precise accounting for the expenses is available, and the complaint asks the FEC to conduct an investigation into the matter immediately.
 

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I think she got elected because she is in a district that is about half Hispanic and she got out and campaigned. The anti-Trump mood favored a young Hispanic woman over the old white guy. It probably didn’t hurt she isn’t bad looking.


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She's the best politician the left has produced in decades. Relatable, likable, but understands the decorum discourse days are over and "own da cons/libs" is the rule of the day. She's not perfect but she is easily better than most of other politicians in opposition to the GOP. Only Sanders beats her on this front.
 
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I am shrinking in fear of what the economic policies she (Occasio) and several others -- Harris, Gillibrand, Sanders, Booker and I'm sure the other half of the endless string of Democratic candidates -- are pushing.

And the source of funds, if it is addressed at all, is always the same -- tax the rich and make banks lend the money. Rich being defined as somebody who makes more, or has more, than the advocates do, and ignoring the fact that banks don't lend much of their money at all....they lend their depositors' money.

So yes, I am gravely concerned about that. Mainly because the current president is a buffoon, who doesn't deserve the office. (Just FYI, as I've posted repeatedly on this forum, I didn't vote for him...I wrote in Nick Saban, no blue font.)

So if he gets voted out, the successor will likely be someone with the economic program I referenced. If they are successful in implementing it...and given the likely makeup of Congress, I think there's a good chance they would be...they will make the current trillion-dollar deficit (note, deficit, not national debt) look like a teaspoon in the ocean.

I'm not defending Republican spending. Quite the contrary. I'm saying that it's abhorrent. And you should too. So your fix is to blow it up more? Or to defend more spending by the blues by saying that the reds did it too?

That will jack interest rates up, which jacks up the discount rate at which income-producing assets are valued, which will tank said value. Simple math. Hell, it's not math; it's arithmetic.
Lots of fear and outrage built on top of assumption here. Why don't you wait for the Dem candidates to actually talk about their specific climate change proposals before going full Chicken Little?
 

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Lots of fear and outrage built on top of assumption here. Why don't you wait for the Dem candidates to actually talk about their specific climate change proposals before going full Chicken Little?
Nice ad hominem reply there, making the discussion about the shortcomings you perceive in me personally, as opposed to the issues.

As a side note, is saying I'm "shrinking in fear" and calling me "Chicken Little," any less demeaning than Bodhi's statements about Ocasio-Cortez? Convenient lines, I guess.

Let's keep the discussion to the facts. I would say that Congress is spending like drunk sailors, but I probably shouldn't talk about drunk sailors that way. Not just this Congress but countless ones before. And we are at a point that the government spends almost $3 Billion dollars a day more than it takes in.

Various democratic candidates are advocating reparations to descendants of slaves (several). And to descendants of Native Americans (in irony so sweet it would rot your teeth, Warren leading the pack there). And free college. And Medicare for all. Only after all that comes a litany of government-run or government-mandated initiatives to stop climate change. No mention of cutting anything other than what "the rich," a dangerously undefined term, have.

Funny, but the Medicare for all thing is probably the most economically feasible in that what employers and employees currently pay for health insurance would be re-purposed, going from health insurance companies to the government. Probably wouldn't be run near as efficiently as the health insurance companies do it (Social Security as a substitute for purchasing an annuity says hello), but it wouldn't be a 100% new load on the taxpayers.

So if all that doesn't scare the bejeebers out of you, either I don't understand the situation, or you don't understand the situation, or the blue candidates are lying.

I'm guessing you think you do understand the situation. And you'd never say that the blue candidates are lying. So what is it that this shrinking in fear Chicken Little doesn't understand?
 
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here's a crazy idea. how about all y'all republicans/conservatives who feel like you no longer have a home in the republican party and are disgusted by the direction in which it has turned but cannot abide the careening "socialism" of the democratic party direct some of your concern trolling and pearl clutching efforts towards the republicans and try to get them to function as a responsible party.
 

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Which presidential candidates have called for repetitions for slaves? Could you post a link to where they have done this?


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