Question For My Blue Friends: Why All The Deference to Ocasio-Cortez?

81usaf92 · Mar 10, 2019

Honestly the only reason she is relevant is because folks like Shapiro and Stephen Crowder rally trumpers back into the "Flee Flee Flee for your lives" mentality. Its like Illhan Omar, in that she is largely ignored by the neo lib democrats, but for some reason the far right wants to continuously bring them up. My personal feelings about both are that they have some things I can agree on, many I don't, but ultimately they both come off as kinda stupid in the way they go about saying things (FTR both are better than the POTUS but I can pick many 2nd graders that are more articulate than the potus)

They are basically being used to say "All The Democratic Party is like this" and we are heading to a Socialist state. I think one of my FB friends posted the perfect meme to really show the reason they want to highlight Ocasio and Omar so much, and its to make a narrative.

GrayTide · Mar 10, 2019

I have not paid much attention to Ocasio-Cortez or Illhan Omar beyond knowing they are part of the new progressive wing of the Dems. I realize they have both made some less than wise statements that Trump will use against the Dems in his 2020 campaign. He will portray both as the faces of the Dem Party and of course will tie them to democratic socialism, and use scare tactics to divide the Dems and frighten independent voters. While I believe Ocasio-Cortez and Omar are both intelligent young women with a desire to further their cause at the national level; they need to realize that temporarily subjugating their individual beliefs and behavior is necessary to achieve the prime directive of removing Trump from office.

81usaf92 · Mar 10, 2019

GrayTide said:
I have not paid much attention to Ocasio-Cortez or Illhan Omar beyond knowing they are part of the new progressive wing of the Dems. I realize they have both made some less than wise statements that Trump will use against the Dems in his 2020 campaign. He will portray both as the faces of the Dem Party and of course will tie them to democratic socialism, and use scare tactics to divide the Dems and frighten independent voters. While I believe Ocasio-Cortez and Omar are both intelligent young women with a desire to further their cause at the national level; they need to realize that temporarily subjugating their individual beliefs and behavior is necessary to achieve the prime directive of removing Trump from office.

The problem is that they know their opinions will be irrelevant in 2020 unless Trump wins. What is most likely going to happen is that the Democratic Party is going to choose someone from the middle of the party or someone from the mainstream. Ocasio and Omar are going to have to choose between yelling the same sour grapes the Bernie or busters were or swallowing their principles and supporting someone on the right side of the Democratic Party. I believe the TYT type crowd understands the problem with Bernie was that no one (talking about the majority of the public) knew his stances until very late 2015 because everyone assumed that Hillary would destroy anyone that challenged her. I think progressives are acting like the Tea Party in that they seem more concerned about dividing and conquering their own party instead of trying to beat the guy in office. I think if the goal is to beat Donald then they really don't need this strong push left right now.

92tide · Mar 10, 2019

GrayTide said:
I have not paid much attention to Ocasio-Cortez or Illhan Omar beyond knowing they are part of the new progressive wing of the Dems. I realize they have both made some less than wise statements that Trump will use against the Dems in his 2020 campaign. He will portray both as the faces of the Dem Party and of course will tie them to democratic socialism, and use scare tactics to divide the Dems and frighten independent voters. While I believe Ocasio-Cortez and Omar are both intelligent young women with a desire to further their cause at the national level; they need to realize that temporarily subjugating their individual beliefs and behavior is necessary to achieve the prime directive of removing Trump from office.

people need to realize, if it wasn't aoc or omar they were going after, it would be someone else. and with just as much volume, nastiness, and vitriol. as they have shown since the early 90s, it is their only successful strategy for getting in and staying in power and there are a lot of folks in our country that eat it up time and time again.

but hey, if we can be nice and reasonable with them, maybe they will stop this time.

81usaf92 · Mar 10, 2019

92tide said:
people need to realize, if it wasn't aoc or omar they were going after, it would be someone else. and with just as much volume, nastiness, and vitriol. as they have shown since the early 90s, it is their only successful strategy for getting in and staying in power and there are a lot of folks in our country that eat it up time and time again.

but hey, if we can be nice and reasonable with them, maybe they will stop this time.

The problem is that the opponent is a Jerry Seinfeld wannabe comedian that is still convincing folks that we are heading towards communism, socialism, or whatever because of a few looney nuts in the Democratic Party.

92tide · Mar 10, 2019

81usaf92 said:
The problem is that the opponent is a Jerry Seinfeld wannabe comedian that is still convincing folks that we are heading towards communism, socialism, or whatever because of a few looney nuts in the Democratic Party.

trump is just a symptom. the foundation of this has been laid for the past 40+ years. undoing that is not going to be easy.

they would create the "looney nuts" if they didn't exist. and at this point, the majority of the gop are looney nuts.

81usaf92 · Mar 10, 2019

92tide said:
trump is just a symptom. the foundation of this has been laid for the past 40+ years. undoing that is not going to be easy.

they would create the "looney nuts" if they didn't exist. and at this point, the majority of the gop are looney nuts.

I think what I'm getting at is that... Lets just call them the "Bernie" crowd is just as bad as Trumpers at throwing his crap at mainstream democrats. I knew about 4-5 Bernieites and a lot of Trumpers, but it was so odd seeing the same quotes, memes, and types of posts/rants about Hillary from both sides. My issue with Ocasio and Omar is more that they are making big pushes left at a time in which the Democrats really need to start getting behind a strategy to get a candidate good enough to beat Trump. I have this fear that the Bernie crowd is going to set unrealistic expectations and go to war with the mainstream because of this momentum that people like Omar and Ocasio seem to be bringing. Then when the inevitable loss happens for the progressive candidate(s) they get hacked off and cry conspiracy due to super delegates, DNC shenanigans, and etc. That's my concern.

92tide · Mar 10, 2019

81usaf92 said:
I think what I'm getting at is that... Lets just call them the "Bernie" crowd is just as bad as Trumpers at throwing his crap at mainstream democrats. I knew about 4-5 Bernieites and a lot of Trumpers, but it was so odd seeing the same quotes, memes, and types of posts/rants about Hillary from both sides. My issue with Ocasio and Omar is more that they are making big pushes left at a time in which the Democrats really need to start getting behind a strategy to get a candidate good enough to beat Trump. I have this fear that the Bernie crowd is going to set unrealistic expectations and go to war with the mainstream because of this momentum that people like Omar and Ocasio seem to be bringing. Then when the inevitable loss happens for the progressive candidate(s) they get ....ed off and cry conspiracy due to super delegates, DNC shenanigans, and etc. That's my concern.

i agree with you for the most part. i don't think that aoc or omar and many of the other new folks are dead enders like that and hopefully they will bring around the part of their constituency that are. i think it's good that there is more ideological diversity showing up at the upper parts of the democratic party.

chanson78 · Mar 10, 2019

81usaf92 said:
I think what I'm getting at is that... Lets just call them the "Bernie" crowd is just as bad as Trumpers at throwing his crap at mainstream democrats. I knew about 4-5 Bernieites and a lot of Trumpers, but it was so odd seeing the same quotes, memes, and types of posts/rants about Hillary from both sides. My issue with Ocasio and Omar is more that they are making big pushes left at a time in which the Democrats really need to start getting behind a strategy to get a candidate good enough to beat Trump. I have this fear that the Bernie crowd is going to set unrealistic expectations and go to war with the mainstream because of this momentum that people like Omar and Ocasio seem to be bringing. Then when the inevitable loss happens for the progressive candidate(s) they get hacked off and cry conspiracy due to super delegates, DNC shenanigans, and etc. That's my concern.

This has been an issue in the Democratic Party for some time. There are myriad issues that are “single issue voter” topics for democrats. Compared to what essentially boils down to god/abortion, guns, or taxes for the Republicans. Say what you want about the Republican Party but they have effectively packaged god/abortion, guns, and taxes as so tightly coupled that they can create fear of one make people ignore ideological differences in the other two.

Democrats have at least environment, abortion, social justice, feminism, anti banking, social welfare net, gun control, health care, and I’m sure there a few more. It’s almost impossible to build a true coalition in the Democratic Party unless it is based upon the cult of personality surrounding the candidate. Clinton, Kennedy, Obama.

So far, I don’t see any candidates that can manage to bridge the issue chasm. Bernie is the only one that seems to generate any measure of loyalty and coalition building. I’m not sure I’d go as far as saying he has that “cult of personality.” To me, any ideas that might actually force some conversations in the Democratic Party, especially this early in the process.

For what it’s worth, in my opinion, the only candidate on the left that is addressing problems that are immediate, pressing, and at the core of the populist trump support, is Andrew Yang.

Unfortunately I also think the way he talks is too smart for the majority of Trump voters, as well as I don’t think he will be inspiring a wellspring of support, because frankly economics just aren’t a sexy topic.

twofbyc · Mar 10, 2019

Criticizing the Israeli government is not anti-semitism; neither is boycotting Israel because of the Palestinian issue. Many Jews actually don’t agree with their own government - are they anti-Semitic too?
Criticizing AIPAC for the undue influence they have over our elections and government isn’t anti-Semitic, either; I want all lobbyist to drown, period. I want all big money out of politics. Including AIPAC.
Nothing the Muslim said was incorrect; nothing AOC said was wrong (generally), either; just certain people want that type of speech muzzled.
Is America Great Again yet?

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twofbyc · Mar 17, 2019

So in answer to the question posed by the OP, here ya go...
Blame Faux News.

https://apple.news/AI0Tny-LqTeeUZETvkf4yrA

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Bamafaninco1 · Mar 18, 2019

Crimson1967 said:
You really have to hate AOC to pass on a box of thin mints.

No you don't, thin mints are really gross.

4Q Basket Case · Mar 20, 2019

Not directly related Ocasio-Cortez, but did anyone see the HBO documentary on the Theranos fraud and Elizabeth Holmes' role in the rise and fall of the company? The initial airing was Monday, but they're showing re-runs on various secondary HBO channels.

The connection was the eyes. Despite entirely different coloring, I saw the same weird look in Holmes' eyes that I see in Cortez's.

92tide · Mar 20, 2019

4Q Basket Case said:
Not directly related Ocasio-Cortez, but did anyone see the HBO documentary on the Theranos fraud and Elizabeth Holmes' role in the rise and fall of the company? The initial airing was Monday, but they're showing re-runs on various secondary HBO channels.

The connection was the eyes. Despite entirely different coloring, I saw the same weird look in Holmes' eyes that I see in Cortez's.

those crazy wimmenz are all the same

jthomas666 · Mar 20, 2019

4Q Basket Case said:
Not directly related Ocasio-Cortez, but did anyone see the HBO documentary on the Theranos fraud and Elizabeth Holmes' role in the rise and fall of the company? The initial airing was Monday, but they're showing re-runs on various secondary HBO channels.
The connection was the eyes. Despite entirely different coloring, I saw the same weird look in Holmes' eyes that I see in Cortez's.

Psychological Projection

Psychological projection is a defense mechanism in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It incorporates blame shifting.

4Q Basket Case · Mar 20, 2019

Guys, this is pointing out similar characteristics in two people who are (or in the case of Holmes, were) so committed to a utopian vision that they wouldn’t let a little thing like logic stand in the way.

And you counter with the new age version of, “They’re rubber, you’re glue...it bounces off them and sticks to you.”

Surely you can do better than that.

Excuse me...I have to go get the calluses on my knuckles sanded down.

RollTide_HTTR · Mar 20, 2019

4Q Basket Case said:
Guys, this is pointing out similar characteristics in two people who are (or in the case of Holmes, were) so committed to a utopian vision that they wouldn’t let a little thing like logic stand in the way.

And you counter with the new age version of, “They’re rubber, you’re glue...it bounces off them and sticks to you.”

Surely you can do better than that.

Excuse me...I have to go get the calluses on my knuckles sanded down.

Nice attempt at a save but you just said they had "the same weird look" thats not a substantive point about anything.

CharminTide · Mar 20, 2019

Is this going to be a repeat of Bodhi’s “I wasn’t demeaning that simpleminded little bartender” stance?

92tide · Mar 20, 2019

CharminTide said:
Is this going to be a repeat of Bodhi’s “I wasn’t demeaning that simpleminded little bartender” stance?

i thought shirley it would turn into a "why aren't you jerks more civil" thread.

Bamabuzzard · Mar 20, 2019

Waiting on the "both sides" line followed by the blue font comment making fun of the "both sides" comment. Then we move to the "to be fair" line followed by the blue font version of "to be fair".

Waiting on the "both sides" line followed by the blue font comment making fun of the "both sides" comment. Then we move to the "to be fair" line followed by the blue font version of "to be fair".

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