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    Re: Mueller Delivers Report on Russia Investigation to Attorney General

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    Or imagine Clinton never going under oath.


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    Wishful thinking, but not reality. There are too few Teapartiers left in the Senate to go along with the “abolish and then think about a replacement” to ever let him get away with it. But I do think that maybe the only thing that can turn his base on him.
    They are putting this in the judiciary’s hands, not Congress.
    Remember all the claptrap from conservatives about “activist judges”? Look at all of Trumps’s judiciary appointments carefully, and tell me with a straight face you think they are all strict constitutionalists with no propensity or desire for activism.
    Trump is going around Congress - or trying to.



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    Re: Mueller Delivers Report on Russia Investigation to Attorney General

    Quote Originally Posted by twofbyc View Post
    They are putting this in the judiciary’s hands, not Congress.
    Remember all the claptrap from conservatives about “activist judges”? Look at all of Trumps’s judiciary appointments carefully, and tell me with a straight face you think they are all strict constitutionalists with no propensity or desire for activism.
    Trump is going around Congress - or trying to.



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    Even so you are also talking about years and years of having a conservative sitting SCOTUS that hasn't been able to: " Overturn Roe v Wade, ruled in favor of flag burners, and ruled in favor of Westboro Baptist Church and forced the sueing dead veteran's father to pay all the legal fees". I'm going to say even the judicial route is foggy at best. So yes still wishful thinking imo

    Also, You already know its 4-4 going into this thing with Roberts being the decider. Roberts has already sided on the ACA's side once, and has been the victim of criticism by Trump over it all through his campaign. So you are basically basing your fears on the possibility that Roberts flips. Also worth noting Kennedy and Scalia was a dissenting figure on the issue so Kavy and Gorsuch create no real difference here.
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    Yeah...no one benefits from Medicare-for-all.
    I forgot.
    Nice drive by but we've been through this before. The VA is a shining example of how bad single-payer can be, and yah, while it's 'available for all', people who can afford better health care would prefer to keep that better healthcare, even at a greater cost.
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    Re: Mueller Delivers Report on Russia Investigation to Attorney General

    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonaudio View Post
    Nice drive by but we've been through this before. The VA is a shining example of how bad single-payer can be, and yah, while it's 'available for all', people who can afford better health care would prefer to keep that better healthcare, even at a greater cost.
    Yeah I found out Tri Care is only good when you can find people who take Tri Care, and its usually weeks and months before they can see you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 81usaf92 View Post
    Even so you are also talking about years and years of having a conservative sitting SCOTUS that hasn't been able to: " Overturn Roe v Wade, ruled in favor of flag burners, and ruled in favor of Westboro Baptist Church and forced the sueing dead veteran's father to pay all the legal fees". I'm going to say even the judicial route is foggy at best. So yes still wishful thinking imo

    Also, You already know its 4-4 going into this thing with Roberts being the decider. Roberts has already sided on the ACA's side once, and has been the victim of criticism by Trump over it all through his campaign. So you are basically basing your fears on the possibility that Roberts flips. Also worth noting Kennedy and Scalia was a dissenting figure on the issue so Kavy and Gorsuch create no real difference here.
    Roberts changed his vote twice on ACA. He’s an enigma wrapped inside a mystery, but he’s still a conservative.
    I’m not saying or never did say, as you seem to imply, that Trumps’s play would be successful. Actually, via several articles I linked, this is a disaster for him and Republicans. If they persist, it will take forever to wind through the court system - most likely not resolved by even the next election. And I’m glad he’s doing it, because it will mean Medicare for all sooner rather than later.


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    Re: Mueller Delivers Report on Russia Investigation to Attorney General

    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonaudio View Post
    Nice drive by but we've been through this before. The VA is a shining example of how bad single-payer can be, and yah, while it's 'available for all', people who can afford better health care would prefer to keep that better healthcare, even at a greater cost.
    No reason they couldn’t, that I know of; what I gathered from what I saw of the structure of the different models, at least one kept that option.
    Nice try though.


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    Re: Mueller Delivers Report on Russia Investigation to Attorney General

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    Nice drive by but we've been through this before. The VA is a shining example of how bad single-payer can be, and yah, while it's 'available for all', people who can afford better health care would prefer to keep that better healthcare, even at a greater cost.
    And I’m on Medicare - find anyone else who is and let them tell you how much they hate it.
    I would say I’d wait, but I don’t think I’d live that long.


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    Yeah I found out Tri Care is only good when you can find people who take Tri Care, and its usually weeks and months before they can see you.
    And that's a premium service that's offered because the standard VA sucks so badly.
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    And I’m on Medicare - find anyone else who is and let them tell you how much they hate it.
    I would say I’d wait, but I don’t think I’d live that long.
    LOL
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    Re: Mueller Delivers Report on Russia Investigation to Attorney General

    Quote Originally Posted by twofbyc View Post
    Roberts changed his vote twice on ACA. He’s an enigma wrapped inside a mystery, but he’s still a conservative.
    And so was Kennedy.... The point is that he will most likely side with the side of common sense instead of play politics since now he is the swing vote.


    Quote Originally Posted by twofbyc View Post
    I’m not saying or never did say, as you seem to imply, that Trumps’s play would be successful. Actually, via several articles I linked, this is a disaster for him and Republicans. If they persist, it will take forever to wind through the court system - most likely not resolved by even the next election. And I’m glad he’s doing it, because it will mean Medicare for all sooner rather than later.


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    Don't get your hopes up. I heard the "death of the republican party" all from 2012- present, but the Democrats still haven't done it under Trump.

    As for Trump, its actually a smarter play than what you think. If he fails its another "The Democrats have been unreasonable and blocked OUR revolution" and if he succeeds Its another Win for him. If the Democrats are banking on this then they still haven't figured out that the only two policies that matter in a presidential election are the economy and national defense. The democrats need to gear up around a candidate that is strong on those two things, and that isn't stupid enough to get in the mud with the Teflon Don.
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    Re: Mueller Delivers Report on Russia Investigation to Attorney General

    Quote Originally Posted by 81usaf92 View Post
    And so was Kennedy.... The point is that he will most likely side with the side of common sense instead of play politics since now he is the swing vote.




    Don't get your hopes up. I heard the "death of the republican party" all from 2012- present, but the Democrats still haven't done it under Trump.

    As for Trump, its actually a smarter play than what you think. If he fails its another "The Democrats have been unreasonable and blocked OUR revolution" and if he succeeds Its another Win for him. If the Democrats are banking on this then they still haven't figured out that the only two policies that matter in a presidential election are the economy and national defense. The democrats need to gear up around a candidate that is strong on those two things, and that isn't stupid enough to get in the mud with the Teflon Don.
    I think healthcare was the driving force in the Democrats taking back the house and I think it will be again in 2020. He's not only after the ACA, he's after Medicare as well, just Rand Cliffnotes Paul Ryan was...
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    Re: Mueller Delivers Report on Russia Investigation to Attorney General

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    I think healthcare was the driving force in the Democrats taking back the house and I think it will be again in 2020. He's not only after the ACA, he's after Medicare as well, just Rand Cliffnotes Paul Ryan was...
    I just have my doubts that it will matter in a national election. If it did then we wouldn’t have trump in the first place because Hillary would’ve been the obvious winner based on the “repeal and replace” and blasting John Roberts constantly throughout Trump’s campaign.

    Healthcare is an issue like abortion, gun control, and education in that they are important in a local election but nowhere near as important as the economy and national defense in the National.

    Another problem is none of the Democratic candidates can agree on what type of healthcare they want, and that is just as troubling for democratic chances in 2020 if they are truly banking on this issue.

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