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    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonaudio View Post
    I wonder if any of the USC players Spurrier left holding the bag feel sorry for him...
    Yeah, I am not sure if anyone cares how this effects those involved who are already wealthy. But a lot of coaches and players just lost their only income because they trusted the people who put this together. I am sure that some left other jobs for this opportunity.

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    I will be honest with you. I really thought they were onto something with this league. It garnered a tremendous amount of traction and had better than average football. The game plan looked legit and the franchise locations were solid. This was a complete and total failure from a management point of view and will more than likely scuttle any chances of a legitimate spring football league ever succeeding.

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    Yeah, I know people are saying that McMahon is o.k. losing 275 million dollars without a chance of getting anything back, but I can't see it. I wonder what the total amount of loss was for the USFL, pro-rated to today's numbers?

    This league was set up to succeed, except for one thing: a billionaire with a desire to see it make it. Without that it never had a chance, we just didn't realize that until yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 81usaf92 View Post
    These leagues are really not geared around making money is the point. They are trying to be that “feeder” or “expiremental” league that has NFL backing.
    That is their problem. So, basically they were football fans who wanted a spring league so, they started one that all their buddies could come and watch. NFL owners are not owners because of the love of the game. They are business men who want to make money first, fans second.

    If you are not running the business to make money then you don't really have a business. Even as a "feeder" league, you have to be profitable. The NFL isn't going to invest in a money pit.



    Honestly, I just don't think the interest for spring football is as high as some people think. Spring brings March Madness, spring breaks, vacations and warmer weather where folks can get outside more on weekends instead of watching football. You also have baseball starting up and I know many people here love to hate on the MLB but, there are still plenty of baseball fans. I'm one of them and once spring training started my attention went to baseball. The only time I really saw anything related to the AAF was here on TF. It just wasn't on my radar because it was full of other things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B1GTide View Post
    Yeah, I am not sure if anyone cares how this effects those involved who are already wealthy. But a lot of coaches and players just lost their only income because they trusted the people who put this together. I am sure that some left other jobs for this opportunity.
    I would expect lawsuits to be forthcoming. For some reason, people think they can write in all the clauses and fine print in the world, then just break the contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bamamick View Post
    Yeah, I know people are saying that McMahon is o.k. losing 275 million dollars without a chance of getting anything back, but I can't see it. I wonder what the total amount of loss was for the USFL, pro-rated to today's numbers?

    This league was set up to succeed, except for one thing: a billionaire with a desire to see it make it. Without that it never had a chance, we just didn't realize that until yesterday.

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    You do know the AAF was originally going to be XFL2? Vince backed out and wanted to have NFL cities instead of college football ones. The XFL will be more like the AAF in terms of gameplay with 2 huge expectations 1) Vince is funding the majority of the cost and 2) DraftKings is the gambling aspect.

    I think we will get at least 2 years of the XFL due to this being a Vince McMahon passion project and he has the Mouse probably involved for television.

    Will it be good? Idk but at least Vince learned that setting up teams takes more than 30 days

    Will it last? I’m not one to say never especially when it is involving someone like Vince, but the odds are against him. But I do think he has a grasp on what went wrong in 2001 and has corrected most of the issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 81usaf92 View Post
    You do know the AAF was originally going to be XFL2? Vince backed out and wanted to have NFL cities instead of college football ones. The XFL will be more like the AAF in terms of gameplay with 2 huge expectations 1) Vince is funding the majority of the cost and 2) DraftKings is the gambling aspect.

    I think we will get at least 2 years of the XFL due to this being a Vince McMahon passion project and he has the Mouse probably involved for television.
    I've seen some speculation that the AAF started earlier than it should have to get ahead of Vince and the XFL after Vince said they couldn't use the XFL name.
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    I listened to Bill Polian's interview about it and from what I gather, they rushed it and got hammered. He kept mentioning operating cost spiraling out of control because they weren't properly organized. That tells me they were contracting out stuff they should have been able to do in house and that's a death spiral for a start up. I would be willing to bet that they were giving away the media rights to CBS and others for free just to get the product out there and praying attendance and merchandising would get them through the first couple of years. That's a horrible plan if true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTR91 View Post
    I've seen some speculation that the AAF started earlier than it should have to get ahead of Vince and the XFL after Vince said they couldn't use the XFL name.
    From what I’ve read, after the 30 for 30 Charlie Ebersol approached Vince about it, and Vince basically said “ interesting, I’ll get back with you”. Then they started having serious conversations but it went south after they disagreed on the cities and the gambling technology. But Ebersol tried to buy the name, but Vince wouldn’t sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot172000 View Post
    I will be honest with you. I really thought they were onto something with this league. It garnered a tremendous amount of traction and had better than average football. The game plan looked legit and the franchise locations were solid. This was a complete and total failure from a management point of view and will more than likely scuttle any chances of a legitimate spring football league ever succeeding.
    It got a lot of interest here in Birmingham, but I doubt Atlanta or Orlando even knew it was going on. Trouble is, football is king here in Alabama, but those other places have lots of other things to capture their attention, like MLS, NBA, and MLB in the case of Atlanta.

    Interest was strong in Birmingham. We had attendance. I don't know about other cities, but it could have done well here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazza View Post
    I understand what you are trying to say.

    But he didn't cancel the football program when he stepped down.

    I wonder if any of the players understood why he left before the season ended?
    Yah, he quit the team - just as the AAF quit him.
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    Anybody know how much the players were making? I’m guessing it was not much.
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    https://www.sbnation.com/2019/4/3/18...ol-bill-polian

    How it all began.

    Influential TV producer Charlie Ebersol (son of former NBC Sports head Dick Ebersol) formed the idea for the AAF in 2016 after working on ESPN’s 30-for-30 documentary on the collapse of the XFL. In researching and producing the documentary, Ebersol came to the conclusion that the concept for a secondary football league was viable in the US, but the XFL’s on-field product and presentation was its downfall. Feeling he could correct the XFL’s errors, Ebersol planned out how the AAF would operate for a launch in 2019.
    During those early planning stages Vince McMahon, chairman and CEO of WWE, announced he would be re-launching the XFL, starting in 2020. Initially Ebersol approached McMahon in the hopes of parlaying his idea for the AAF with McMahon’s vision, but ultimately the sides didn’t reach an agreement — which included Ebersol wanting ownership of the XFL brand.
    Ebersol continued work on his concept for a football league, and it wasn’t until 2018 that the public heard more information about the AAF. Ebersol secured the services of renowned household names and football minds, including Bill Polian, Troy Polamalu, Hines Ward, J.K. McKay, and Justin Tuck. He followed this up by announcing Steve Spurrier would be the league’s first head coach, lending more credence to the idea that the AAF was a league in its own right, not the machination of a TV producer.
    One major issue was that Reggie Fowler, slated to be a $170 million investor in the AAF pulled back, committing only $28 million to the league and leaving the AAF in a lurch.
    However, there’s speculation that none of this was really about football. One of the AAF’s most valuable assets was proprietary gambling software the league had built into its app. This combination of real-time fantasy football paired with sports gambling had attractive potential, especially at a time where more states are legalizing sports gambling. Some believe that Dundon’s interest in the AAF was only to secure the technology behind the gambling app.



    It’s unclear if Dundon has the right to claim ownership to the technology, should that be his play. Everything hinges on whether his investment agreement with the AAF included AAF technologies, or just the league itself — in addition it’s murky whether the AAF owned the intellectual property of the app in the first place, or whether MGM Casinos owned the app and licensed it to the AAF. Reports indicate that Dundon does not own the technology, regardless of what happens.
    If this speculation is true, it could be a long time before we see how it plays out, with the court system getting involved.
    In the end, the story of the AAF might not be one of a league full of promise that flew too close to the sun, and instead the tale of a billionaire destroying a league to get some software. Nobody is better off for the AAF dying, and it’s all a shame.
    Basically... Little Ebersol is an idiot for trusting money not in the bank from would be investors, and Dundon is a snake in the grass.
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