Ronnie Harrison fires back at CNS’s remarks

Bamabuzzard said:

I think the overriding point is, once the guy makes his decision and is gone. There's absolutely ZERO need for Saban to call the guy out for his decision. Regardless if Saban is right or not. Which on the subject matter itself, I agree with Saban. But there's more involved here than numbers. There's emotions, personal relationships, etc. No one likes to be called out on a massive public stage and used as an example of what not to do. Regardless if the guy doing it is right or wrong. It's called respect for someone you supposedly care about and call friend.

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I don’t think Coach Saban was calling RH out. He was making a point and used a draft staus to make it. Knowing Saban, it wasn’t personal, but became so to RH once his name was added to the story. Imo, I chalk it up to the press wanting it to go further than it should have. Should have Coach Saban seen this coming, probably, but he told the truth and made his point regardless, I respect that. I won’t comment on it further other than to say, I’ll take truths over feelings every time. Truths have always been a better teacher than feelings. Feelings can fade, the truth never does.

Leeroy said:

I don’t think Coach Saban was calling RH out. He was making a point and used a draft staus to make it. Knowing Saban, it wasn’t personal, but became so to RH once his name was added to the story. Imo, I chalk it up to the press wanting it to go further than it should have. Should have Coach Saban seen this coming, probably, but he told the truth and made his point regardless, I respect that. I won’t comment on it further other than to say, I’ll take truths over feelings every time. Truths have always been a better teacher than feelings. Feelings can fade, the truth never does.

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The press? They didn't do a single thing here.

RTR91 said:

The press? They didn't do a single thing here.

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Did Coach Saban say Ronnie Harrison at any point? If the story had never been written mentioning him, what? So, yeah, the press is included. The story had the effect it was going for btw. Here we are.

Leeroy said:

Did Coach Saban say Ronnie Harrison at any point? If the story had never been written mentioning him, what? So, yeah, the press is included. The story had the effect it was going for btw. Here we are.

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Look at Saban's quote:

“If you’re a third-round draft pick, and we had one here last year — I’m not going to say any names — goes and starts for his team, so he’s making third-round money, which is not that great. He’d be the first guy taken at his position this year, probably, and make $15-18 million more. So, the agent makes out, the club makes out, and now they’ve got a guy that’s going to play for that kind of money for three more years.”

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Saban didn't have to mention him by name. He was the only Alabama player taken in the third round.

Bring up the media if you want, but it's pretty silly.

pop11011 said:

The world was better off without Twitter, etc.

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Amen

gtowntide said:

I actually didn't associate Coach's comments with RH. I thought he was talking more about Mack W. not staying. There's little doubt he made the wrong decision.

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I think this was the impetus to making that statement. He watches one guy make the wrong move and lose millions, now he's watching another one do it. Yet, some people want him to stay silent.

Of course that bothers him, why wouldn't it? And people that find it disingenuous need to consider Saban always gives his blessing to high draft picks leaving. Being specific means everyone knows exactly how much money was lost, and clearly it is millions of dollars. I think this is the only way Saban's point really sticks, because if he's being less specific a lot of people would incorrectly assume he's talking about other players that didn't lose as much, or just point to players that were drafted earlier and be like yeah that guy didn't lose out, I don't know what Saban is going on about. He used an example that's pretty much impossible to refute.

The flip side is RH might be happy he made a bad choice, but that still doesn't change it being a bad business decision.

bamacon said:

All you have to do is watch the Prothro injury and see why guys don’t want to take the chance

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I have to keep repeating this, but players are allowed to buy insurance protecting them against an injury in college (and I will add I'm a huge Prothro fan and hate that Shula had him in the game at that point, but Prothro never reached the point he got to choose being declaring and staying, had he, he could have made a choice guaranteeing his future so he didn't have to end up working at a bank) hurting their NFL stock. Also, for the record a player is no more likely to be injured in college than in the pros.

This isn't a play and you can ruin your entire future scenario necessarily. To keep repeating that is simply misleading.

I disagree with what’s mostly said here, and the whole RH thing is distracting from Nick’s
Message. Maybe he intentionally wanted to bring up RH as an example instead of speaking in hypotheticals. We know how coach loves those. But the message was intended for the trend of underclassmen declaring and not making a roster or not maximizing their opportunity. I don’t see how anyone can argue with that. Just read the twitter response on Ronnie Harrison’s tweet, about 95% support what Saban said.
The other factor in this I guess is Ronnie Harrison playing for an NFL team he grew up rooting for, maybe a childhood dream. I wonder if it would change things if he was underpaid playing for Buffalo?

230kv_barehand said:

Coach's comments clearly flew over Ronnie's head. The two safeties that signed in the 1st round NOT named Minkah signed for like 7 and 9 more million that Ronnie did. Is waiting one year playing a Bama worth the difference? You bet! Fact is Ronnie cost himself money and coach pointed that out....

He only signed 4/$3.38 million, he really shafted himself and got bad advice because I don't think Coach told Ronnie that "he should go". He lost MILLIONS by leaving one year early, that one year cost him more than what he signed for.

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I think I can relate to RH's frustration, but CNS is probably right. And until CNS is obviously wrong, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

But, concerning, RH maybe he didn't like school or just saw the immediate opportunity to suddenly have lots of money as better than having to wait another whole year to get even more money as being the most attractive alternative.

CNS should probably just call Ronnie and they can share a verbal "hug" and be done with this.

RTR91 said:

Look at Saban's quote:



Saban didn't have to mention him by name. He was the only Alabama player taken in the third round.

Bring up the media if you want, but it's pretty silly.

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As I said, here we are. How did that happen? No discussion I’m aware of till RHs reaction to what? Btw, I’m not blaming the media per se, it’s what they do. They write/report, some times without any mention of other than what was said. Other times blanks are filled in to make a story more...interesting. And, sometimes it’s opinion over fact. Imo, it’s the second one. Again, here we are.

Leeroy said:

As I said, here we are. How did that happen? No discussion I’m aware of till RHs reaction to what? Btw, I’m not blaming the media per se, it’s what they do. They write/report, some times without any mention of other than what was said. Other times blanks are filled in to make a story more...interesting. And, sometimes it’s opinion over fact. Imo, it’s the second one. Again, here we are.

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So you have a problem with them reporting about a former player commenting on what his former coach said? Again, you're being extremely silly. No one was talking about what Saban said until Ronnie commented.

You're not blaming the media? Your earlier post suggests you are:

Leeroy said:

I don’t think Coach Saban was calling RH out. He was making a point and used a draft staus to make it. Knowing Saban, it wasn’t personal, but became so to RH once his name was added to the story. Imo, I chalk it up to the press wanting it to go further than it should have. Should have Coach Saban seen this coming, probably, but he told the truth and made his point regardless, I respect that. I won’t comment on it further other than to say, I’ll take truths over feelings every time. Truths have always been a better teacher than feelings. Feelings can fade, the truth never does.

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81usaf92 said:

So what about Marcus Lattimore? Did he lose of gain millions by listening to Spurrier and coming back?

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I don't know the specifics about the scenario (other than how severe his injury was), or specifically recall his projection. But, I will say if he purchased insurance he'd be made whole. So, when he was drafted in the fourth round, the insurance would cover the difference in where he was projected before his injury.

That's the key here. Once a player reaches the point they can declare for the NFL draft, and they can get a draft grade now and everything, they can immediately take that and get insurance protecting those potential earnings in case of injury. In some cases the school can even help with that. So, the choice is never between go pro or potentially lose out entirely (or significantly) due to injury.

I'd also add that if he had a first round projection and Spurrier talked him out of that, that was probably a selfish move on Spurrier's part. But here we're talking about a third round projected player hurting their earning potential by declaring early, and we've seen plenty of examples of guys staying that extra year and getting a nice bump in draft stock and earnings.

rgw said:

I have little doubt Harrison cost himself some money because his knock was that he may be a limited role DB instead of a versatile player like Minkah. He was never asked to do much more than he did from his freshman year because we had depth at corner and Fitzpatrick was the clear best overall DB so he got the versatility roles in the scheme. Imagine what Ronnie Harrison would've been doing on a defense that had some issues in the secondary in 2018? It was an opportunity to show he was more than "just a box safety."

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I don't have a problem with what Coach Saban said.
Blunt, Yes, but dead on the mark. I'm blunt myself...
Coach didn't call him by name, it was Tender feelings by RH.
(Time he put on his big boy pants, and admit he could have been wrong)
Talking like a thug is a major turn off to everybody who is not a thug.
IMO... RH took it personal because he knew it was the truth.