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    Re: Will Blazer's Comments Get Any Traction (about Bama football)?

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaNation View Post
    I don’t see how you ever hold a school culpable in this stuff unless coaches/admins knew and did nothing or participated in the handouts. ESPECIALLY if they have a reliable compliance program.





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    If I understand this correctly you're exactly right. He wasn't paying players to come to a certain school, he was paying them so they'd choose him as their agent. The timing of these payments and who the players were would be interesting to know. We all know that our compliance department is all over our kids. I know we all have nightmares about the NCAA looking down that barrel again but I don't see this going anywhere.

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    Re: Will Blazer's Comments Get Any Traction (about Bama football)?

    Quote Originally Posted by gtowntide View Post
    If I understand this correctly you're exactly right. He wasn't paying players to come to a certain school, he was paying them so they'd choose him as their agent. The timing of these payments and who the players were would be interesting to know. We all know that our compliance department is all over our kids. I know we all have nightmares about the NCAA looking down that barrel again but I don't see this going anywhere.
    What he got busted for was illegally signing athletes names to his movie line, and the FBI and SEC caught him. It is entirely different than what he exposed the AAU for. He was facing 67 years but basically told them he would expose the AAU. So basically for a year he was undercover for the FBI exposing Nike and Adidas.

    Iíll remind you that Alabama is deep in bed with Nike so the fact that Alabama has come up twice in this very case in two different sports isnít just something to say itís nothing. Yeah we arenít going to get hit IN THIS CASE but you can bet rival dirt diggers are going to be watching extra closely in things related to this case in the future.

    What the investigators started realizing was that teams like Louisville were funneling money to recruits through adidas to come to Louisville. That was the big one. UNC, Arizona,and Auburn were other big ones doing the same thing but not on the same scale.
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    Re: Will Blazer's Comments Get Any Traction (about Bama football)?

    Th solution to this is simple: Pay players above board and let them earn money from their name/likeness.
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    Re: Will Blazer's Comments Get Any Traction (about Bama football)?

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaNation View Post
    I donít see how you ever hold a school culpable in this stuff unless coaches/admins knew and did nothing or participated in the handouts. ESPECIALLY if they have a reliable compliance program.
    This is what most people miss.

    While the overall value of dollars proved given to OM recruits was quite low (~$16k total, iirc), it was the fact that the representatives of the school were involved that made it bad from the NCAA's view. They know they can never stop the $100 handshakes or people's parents getting raises / new jobs, etc. - the school has zero ability to control people who are only associated as fans.

    That doesn't mean the NCAA doesn't try to curb the cash flow if it can, but when University employees are directly involved, it's typically a whole other level.
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    Re: Will Blazer's Comments Get Any Traction (about Bama football)?

    Quote Originally Posted by NationalTitles17 View Post
    Th solution to this is simple: Pay players above board and let them earn money from their name/likeness.
    Another solution: NBA and NFL create a "minor league" that HS players can go straight into, just like baseball. I may be wrong but, you don't hear about this stuff in college baseball. Probably because the top prospects are not forced to go to college if they don't want too, they can jump right into the minors and earn some money (not much, I know but, it's something).

    As longs as college football and basketball are a road block to the pros, you are going to have pay for play scandals. There is too much money to be made and these players are too valuable for "amateur" sports.

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    Re: Will Blazer's Comments Get Any Traction (about Bama football)?

    Quote Originally Posted by NationalTitles17 View Post
    Th solution to this is simple: Pay players above board and let them earn money from their name/likeness.
    That's pandora's box though.

    Amateurism will not and can not end entirely. From little kids, to high school, amateur sports have to exist because almost all are not in any way profitable. They can't pay these kids to do something that isn't worth any money, that in fact requires outside money.

    Alabama athletics had something like 30 million donated to it for the last year I saw. How much did any professional franchise get donated to it? I'm guessing nothing like that. If you break down the amateur model and then replace it with a professional one, you'll find that the entire enterprise is on shaky footing. It will have less funding (because who after all donates money to professionals), and yet be spending more money. Then you are getting closer to the same semi-pro model that sunk every football league that's tried it since the 60s.

    It might make sense by itself, but it's a round hole square peg scenario. Once you get into the details it becomes one big giant mess, and could basically destroy the sport entirely (I know some Big 10 people are on record as saying they'd drop sports before they did this).

    I think more should be provided for the athletes, I'm good with that. Stipends and such, in fact the total money spent on them already rivals what semi-pros make. But there's a chemistry at this point that is very delicate.

    It also needs to be mentioned that a lot of college programs are losing money as it is...
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    Re: Will Blazer's Comments Get Any Traction (about Bama football)?

    Quote Originally Posted by KrAzY3 View Post
    That's pandora's box though.

    Amateurism will not and can not end entirely. From little kids, to high school, amateur sports have to exist because almost all are not in any way profitable. They can't pay these kids to do something that isn't worth any money, that in fact requires outside money.

    Alabama athletics had something like 30 million donated to it for the last year I saw. How much did any professional franchise get donated to it? I'm guessing nothing like that. If you break down the amateur model and then replace it with a professional one, you'll find that the entire enterprise is on shaky footing. It will have less funding (because who after all donates money to professionals), and yet be spending more money. Then you are getting closer to the same semi-pro model that sunk every football league that's tried it since the 60s.

    It might make sense by itself, but it's a round hole square peg scenario. Once you get into the details it becomes one big giant mess, and could basically destroy the sport entirely (I know some Big 10 people are on record as saying they'd drop sports before they did this).

    I think more should be provided for the athletes, I'm good with that. Stipends and such, in fact the total money spent on them already rivals what semi-pros make. But there's a chemistry at this point that is very delicate.

    It also needs to be mentioned that a lot of college programs are losing money as it is...
    At this point I think the only true amateur sport is high school, but even then there are schools that buy players. Major college football is not an amateur sport.
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    Re: Will Blazer's Comments Get Any Traction (about Bama football)?

    Just let them make money off their own name and likeness. It really is that simple.
    Architects do it with models.

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    Re: Will Blazer's Comments Get Any Traction (about Bama football)?

    Quote Originally Posted by 81usaf92 View Post
    At this point I think the only true amateur sport is high school, but even then there are schools that buy players. Major college football is not an amateur sport.
    I know calling it amateur at this point is at best semantics, I mean they're getting stipends even. But, the main thing is if you put any sort of open market, free agency type stuff in the mix, you're introducing a lot more volatility.

    I mean we both agree Ole Miss got in trouble not simply because they broke the rules, they got in trouble because they obviously and egregiously broke the rules right? If you take the, let's call it a limiter off, there's really no limit to what we might see, but it would make what Ole Miss did seem trivial.

    For instance, does every Oregon football commit get a 1 million dollar Nike deal? Why not? Does Pickens hand out million dollar oil jobs to the families of their commits? This whole structure of support doesn't really lend itself to the open market, it's capable of imploding, or having outright civil war (between the amateur and professional factions) if you really did just uncork the stuff. I'd also add that Alabama doesn't have a Phil Knight or a T. Boone Pickets, so they might be in trouble.

    I get it though, these guys are getting paid. For instance if you go to Alabama, you get 90K spent on you via Title IX qualified funding, and then you get what ever else comes your way (which by the way isn't such a bad gig). I'm all for trying to figure out more above board ways to provide as well, like making plans for getting these guys loss of value insurance better and that sort of thing. I just see potentially catastrophic issues if you basically take the Ole Miss plan and put it on steroids, which is what sanctioning that sort of thing would tend to do.

    Also, I will reiterate that a lot of college programs, yes even football, are already losing money. So while a lot of us might not mind the number of programs shrinking significantly, there's a reason we're not hearing certain schools pop up in this list, because they're not relevant to this discussion, their programs would die or remain amateur.
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    Re: Will Blazer's Comments Get Any Traction (about Bama football)?

    will be interesting to see if this has any legs since it would make it seem like the program knows and is either facilitating or covering up the payments.

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    Re: Will Blazer's Comments Get Any Traction (about Bama football)?

    Quote Originally Posted by KrAzY3 View Post
    I know calling it amateur at this point is at best semantics, I mean they're getting stipends even. But, the main thing is if you put any sort of open market, free agency type stuff in the mix, you're introducing a lot more volatility.

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    We already have a more or less free agency in college football already. There aren't very strictly enforced rules regarding who can play immediately anymore after transferring after seeing Fields, Martell, and Patterson being declared eligible.

    Quote Originally Posted by KrAzY3 View Post

    I mean we both agree Ole Miss got in trouble not simply because they broke the rules, they got in trouble because they obviously and egregiously broke the rules right? If you take the, let's call it a limiter off, there's really no limit to what we might see, but it would make what Ole Miss did seem trivial.

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    Maybe but it would make it easier to enforce infractions.


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    For instance, does every Oregon football commit get a 1 million dollar Nike deal? Why not? Does Pickens hand out million dollar oil jobs to the families of their commits? This whole structure of support doesn't really lend itself to the open market, it's capable of imploding, or having outright civil war (between the amateur and professional factions) if you really did just uncork the stuff. I'd also add that Alabama doesn't have a Phil Knight or a T. Boone Pickets, so they might be in trouble.

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    Did Louisville have Adolf Dassler or Igor Landau? I think it would surprise you that Nike pays less than most companies for deals, and Oregon doesn't rank in the top 20 in college uniform sports deals. Georgia has a bigger sports deal with Nike than Oregon.

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    I get it though, these guys are getting paid. For instance if you go to Alabama, you get 90K spent on you via Title IX qualified funding, and then you get what ever else comes your way (which by the way isn't such a bad gig). I'm all for trying to figure out more above board ways to provide as well, like making plans for getting these guys loss of value insurance better and that sort of thing. I just see potentially catastrophic issues if you basically take the Ole Miss plan and put it on steroids, which is what sanctioning that sort of thing would tend to do.

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    Putting a cap limit would make it easier to distinguish what is crossing the lines and what is just buying a kid a lunch.

    Quote Originally Posted by KrAzY3 View Post


    Also, I will reiterate that a lot of college programs, yes even football, are already losing money. So while a lot of us might not mind the number of programs shrinking significantly, there's a reason we're not hearing certain schools pop up in this list, because they're not relevant to this discussion, their programs would die or remain amateur.
    Personally I think College football should be stricter on who is a major university and who isn't. That would solve a lot of these problems.
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    Re: Will Blazer's Comments Get Any Traction (about Bama football)?

    Quote Originally Posted by gtgilbert View Post
    will be interesting to see if this has any legs since it would make it seem like the program knows and is either facilitating or covering up the payments.
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