The same sort of people getting upset over the EXTREME POLITICS OF ESPN are the ones making or consuming defeminized edits of Star Wars and Avengers movies.
Link: ESPN pinky swears to stop political commentary
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What are these movies that you are referring to? The last movie I went to was taking my niece to see the SpongeBobSquarePants movie. I think it was devoid of politics. (Although I gather some believe it is covertly sending some sort of nefarious message of some sort.)
OK..........it really is nap time now.
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Are we actually getting into the political motivations behind ESPN moving away from political commentary?
And the relative strengths and weaknesses of the minds possessed by individuals supporting the move as opposed to those against it?
ESPN's move, assuming it actually exists (I wouldn't know), makes no difference to me.
Unless there's a specific event, usually involving a team fielded by the University of Alabama, I quit watching long ago. Reason is I got tired of being called a cretin.
Your whole business model is predicated on charging me money so that Tim Brando and Keith Olbermann, and Jemelle Robinson and countless others can try to insult me into coming over to their point of view? On things that have, at best, a tangential relationship with sports?
Really?
And the relative strengths and weaknesses of the minds possessed by individuals supporting the move as opposed to those against it?
ESPN's move, assuming it actually exists (I wouldn't know), makes no difference to me.
Unless there's a specific event, usually involving a team fielded by the University of Alabama, I quit watching long ago. Reason is I got tired of being called a cretin.
Your whole business model is predicated on charging me money so that Tim Brando and Keith Olbermann, and Jemelle Robinson and countless others can try to insult me into coming over to their point of view? On things that have, at best, a tangential relationship with sports?
Really?
It took a minute, but it finally showed on the bottom line. It was argued here that the falling subscriptions were from people simply cutting the cord all together, but there was enough of a migration away due to politics that the message was received at the top.
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Are you wanting this thread to get shipped to Non-Sports?
The desire to be able to watch a game or even commentary about said game without being preached to has absolutely nothing to with with an inability to face reality at all. It's because we just want to watch the damn game! Why is that difficult to grasp?
ESPN, ABC, and now Fox are all part of the corporate Disney Entertainment. It is now in their culture to be political.
You can take a Zebra paint it black to look like Black Beauty or white to look like Trigger. The fact will remain that those darn stripes are still under there, and so is the temperament of the Zebra.
ESPN's management team has gone to Sherwin-Williams for paint and brushes trying to keep their jobs along with the viewer. They bought latex and the rain always returns.
You can take a Zebra paint it black to look like Black Beauty or white to look like Trigger. The fact will remain that those darn stripes are still under there, and so is the temperament of the Zebra.
ESPN's management team has gone to Sherwin-Williams for paint and brushes trying to keep their jobs along with the viewer. They bought latex and the rain always returns.
I think that was the ad. I couldn't remember exactly but I think he said he worked out a deal with the gas stations that if they would not loan money, he would not sell gas.
I can't link it. But Bill Burr has a segment on the Conan O'Brien show that perfectly explains it. He absolutely nails my thoughts about the NFL, MLB or any other professional sport trying to address "causes" and 'issues" while we're watching sports. "Youtube it". LOL! It's great.
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No doubt in my mind that when people are actually complaining about "too much politics" in their entertainment they're actually just identifying the cynical exploitation of identity in the name of profits. When you're doing superhero movies, there are only so many stories so you gotta do different types of heroes to shake it up and try to find markets that can be exploited for profits.
The cynical exploitation and politics on ESPN takes many shapes. Sometimes its the cancer/terminal illness kids. Sometimes it is the fact that they show every national anthem w/ military flyover. Sometimes it is talking about Colin Kaepernick.
The cynical exploitation and politics on ESPN takes many shapes. Sometimes its the cancer/terminal illness kids. Sometimes it is the fact that they show every national anthem w/ military flyover. Sometimes it is talking about Colin Kaepernick.
HUH?
We were talking about sports, without being lectured to, yet you seem intent to drag in other stuff. Might I remind you that some dumb TV show just ended, and a lot of folks are so upset by the lack of political overtones or taking a direction they feel betrayed their world view started a petition, on some website, to have a "do-over" for the entire last season.
I won't mention the site, as it exists as solely a political website. Don't think I need to mention which direction the wind blows on that site.
Now, where were we......................oh, yeah, watching sports without being lectured to or demeaned. At least I think we were. But feel free to tell us why we are wrong.
I'm going to make dinner, and then fall asleep at my computer, while listening to some dumb baseball game.
My hat is off to you rgw. Seriously, I have re-read every one of your posts in this thread and I still don't have a clue as to what you mean. It is not often that someone can talk so far over by head that I am totally lost but you have done it. I graduated HS and college but I am not smart enough to understand what you are talking about. I am not in your league.
And that’s what many of the yungins are doing, YouTubing it. My son absolutely loves sports and doesn’t watch live TV. You watches clips on YouTube: game highlights, commentary, parodies about sports, etc.
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This is where I'm at with ESPN shows. Not so much the commentary but it's the same show repeated throughout the day. I do like pro-sports but I find other ways to get analysis, updates, etc.
Most of the personalities have zero knowledge of the actual game. Over the years they've picked up some of the coach's lingo and basically gotten what amounts to a fan's level honorary "degree" in the sport yet try to speak as an expert on it. Paul Finebaum, Stephen A Smith, Colin Cowherd, Skip Bayless are just a few of many of these types over the years.
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That was not the intent to be sure. My point is that ESPN and other entertainment concerns use identity - LGBT people, military people, LGBT military people, militant LGBT people, etc, etc, etc - to entice consumption. It is all about the money. They are most certainly not going to stop being political because it is impossible to not be political to some degree. They're just going to stop being political in ways that upset what butters their bread. Football is a big part of their revenue and that audience skews conservative. If the MLB (usually a more centrist audience) and NBA (usually a more left audience) were their chief money makers then they'd probably invite Antifa and the Pod Save America crew to do halftime shows.
As usual, you seem to miss the point.
Folks, of a certain political persuasion, feel that everyone wants to hear about their personal beliefs. (Since this isn't NS, I'll contain my thoughts why I feel that is the case.) They lament that folks, of a different political persuasion are uncomfortable hearing those beliefs.
No, it is about entertainment is supposed to be entertainment. Simple as that. There are lots of ways for folks to hear about those other subjects. There are lots of other ways to promote your beliefs and/or challenge folks about subjects one may feel others are uncomfortable hearing.
Johnny Carson understood this. He knew it was not good bidnis to alienate half of his audience. What has changed since he retired? Not much, except a lot of folks in that bidnis haven't figured out that simple fact. Until they do figure that out, their bottom line will suffer.
Folks, of a certain political persuasion, feel that everyone wants to hear about their personal beliefs. (Since this isn't NS, I'll contain my thoughts why I feel that is the case.) They lament that folks, of a different political persuasion are uncomfortable hearing those beliefs.
No, it is about entertainment is supposed to be entertainment. Simple as that. There are lots of ways for folks to hear about those other subjects. There are lots of other ways to promote your beliefs and/or challenge folks about subjects one may feel others are uncomfortable hearing.
Johnny Carson understood this. He knew it was not good bidnis to alienate half of his audience. What has changed since he retired? Not much, except a lot of folks in that bidnis haven't figured out that simple fact. Until they do figure that out, their bottom line will suffer.
If we are being honest with one another then we need to recognize that this applies to those on both sides equally. People who feel strongly about anything tend to evangelize it. We see it every day on this board.
You can't take politics completely out of sports. Just like you can't take religion completely out of it.
I don't watch many sports shows I mostly read about sports and watch games so I can't really speak to what is going on there. But I've never felt game coverage has ever been overly political. I'm sure there are individual examples of games that are but on a whole I feel like its relatively mild.
It also probably depends on what people consider political.
I don't watch many sports shows I mostly read about sports and watch games so I can't really speak to what is going on there. But I've never felt game coverage has ever been overly political. I'm sure there are individual examples of games that are but on a whole I feel like its relatively mild.
It also probably depends on what people consider political.
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