NCAA Rules Two Clemson Players Ineligible for 2019 After Failed CFP Drug Test

B1GTide · May 25, 2019

Either the players were buying and sharing this widely among themselves, or Clemson provided them. Either is possible. At every gym in America you have people selling stuff like this. If it works, other guys see the results and want in. This stuff WORKS.

But at a place like Clemson, which has resources like Alabama to buy these kids whatever supplement they need to reach their potential, I find it far more likely that this came from Clemson staff than from the players.

Tidewater · May 25, 2019

It seems to me that a couple of players took something the program did not give them.

I won't criticize the Clemson program unless some really reliable definitive info comes to light. Clemson kicked Bama's backside on the field like nobody has in a long, long time. Criticizing the Clemson program unless something more definitive comes to light just smacks of sour grapes. Sometimes you just tip your hat, congratulate the opponent, and go back to getting ready for the next match-up.

NoNC4Tubs · May 25, 2019

Clemson81to85 said:
They probably took a legal supplement, not provided by the athletic department, and it was contaminated. Your guess is as good as mine. But the athletic department supplements tested negative. twenty players were tested and three tested positive. If it were in athletic department supplements, all twenty would have tested positive. That did not happen, plus the ad supplements tested negative for contaminants.

WHY would they take a supplement NOT provided by the Athletic Department?!?

NationalTitles18 · May 25, 2019

NoNC4Tubs said:
WHY would they take a supplement NOT provided by the Athletic Department?!?

I'm sure they were never told to beware supplements not supplied by the school.

Aledinho · May 26, 2019

Tidewater said:
It seems to me that a couple of players took something the program did not give them.

I won't criticize the Clemson program unless some really reliable definitive info comes to light. Clemson kicked Bama's backside on the field like nobody has in a long, long time. Criticizing the Clemson program unless something more definitive comes to light just smacks of sour grapes. Sometimes you just tip your hat, congratulate the opponent, and go back to getting ready for the next match-up.

I would agree except for renfro being a poor winner and accusing us of cheating with much less evidence.

Tidewater · May 26, 2019

Aledinho said:
I would agree except for renfro being a poor winner and accusing us of cheating with much less evidence.

True, but comment's like Renfro's make it easier to be the better man.

As for banned supplements, I am sure Clemson tells every athlete in every sport, "Never take a supplement not given to you by us or one that has been checked out by us before taking it." I know Alabama athletes are given that lecture. I'd bet that happens at most schools.

That said, some players "know better" and will take some snake oil a friend gives them at the gym.

rgw · May 26, 2019

I agree. It seems that this is wholly on the players and neither Alabama or Clemson's suspensions during the postseason are a sign of systemic PED operations going on within either program. Top tier programs like Alabama and Clemson are doing it more "right" than most will give them credit.

mdb-tpet · Jun 4, 2019

rgw said:
I agree. It seems that this is wholly on the players and neither Alabama or Clemson's suspensions during the postseason are a sign of systemic PED operations going on within either program. Top tier programs like Alabama and Clemson are doing it more "right" than most will give them credit.

You could be possibly correct, but without blood samples and repeated testing over time, testing can only catch a subset of PEDs and processes. I bet the use of PEDs/blood doping is more widespread than we know based upon what cannot be tested in urine. One example is drawing your own blood, and injecting just the red blood cells at a later time. Very effective at increasing stamina but the process can kill you if done wrong.

bama579 · Jun 4, 2019

Tidewater said:
It seems to me that a couple of players took something the program did not give them.

I won't criticize the Clemson program unless some really reliable definitive info comes to light. Clemson kicked Bama's backside on the field like nobody has in a long, long time. Criticizing the Clemson program unless something more definitive comes to light just smacks of sour grapes. Sometimes you just tip your hat, congratulate the opponent, and go back to getting ready for the next match-up.

Thank . . with quote.

gtgilbert · Jun 5, 2019

rgw said:
I agree. It seems that this is wholly on the players and neither Alabama or Clemson's suspensions during the postseason are a sign of systemic PED operations going on within either program. Top tier programs like Alabama and Clemson are doing it more "right" than most will give them credit.

Possibly so, but the NCAA only tested 27 football players, and 3 popped for the exact same thing. that's > 10% and somewhat suspicious. It still might not be someone official within the program, but it's a high enough number I'd suspect there are others who were not tested who were using it.

TRU · Jun 6, 2019

Let's not forget that the real competition on a team like Clemson and Alabama is not with the next opponent. It is with the other players on your team for playing time. Most of the players on these teams dream on getting to the NFL and the only way to do that is to get significant playing time. So the pressure to "get an edge" by taking something on the side, no matter what the coaches tell you to do must be pretty intense. I recall a survey taken several years ago of Olympic athletes. They were asked "If you could take a substance that was was totally undetectable and would boost your performance to a point where you would win a gold medal, but it would mean that you would die within a decade if you took it, would you take it?" Over 80% said yes.

B1GTide · Jun 6, 2019

TRU said:
Let's not forget that the real competition on a team like Clemson and Alabama is not with the next opponent. It is with the other players on your team for playing time. Most of the players on these teams dream on getting to the NFL and the only way to do that is to get significant playing time. So the pressure to "get an edge" by taking something on the side, no matter what the coaches tell you to do must be pretty intense. I recall a survey taken several years ago of Olympic athletes. They were asked "If you could take a substance that was was totally undetectable and would boost your performance to a point where you would win a gold medal, but it would mean that you would die within a decade if you took it, would you take it?" Over 80% said yes.

I agree, but thinking this all the way through, if multiple players on one team were using it then they were talking about it. Maybe not out in the open, but among one another. And this supplement WORKS. It produces amazing results if you are willing to take the risks. So, even if it didn't come from Clemson directly, there is a strong likelihood that many more Clemson players were taking it.

Frankly, I am amazed that more athletes are not taking SARMs in general, and Osterine specifically.

TRU · Jun 6, 2019

B1GTide said:
I agree, but thinking this all the way through, if multiple players on one team were using it then they were talking about it. Maybe not out in the open, but among one another. And this supplement WORKS. It produces amazing results if you are willing to take the risks. So, even if it didn't come from Clemson directly, there is a strong likelihood that many more Clemson players were taking it.

Frankly, I am amazed that more athletes are not taking SARMs in general, and Osterine specifically.

This is entirely possible, and in fact what I think happened. One player heard about it, tried it and it worked. He then let some of his friends on the team in on the secret, and they all began using. And elite athletes who are 20 years old are not exactly the most risk adverse group you can come across.

RTR91 · Jun 24, 2019

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T Bone · Jun 24, 2019

hmmmmmmmmm there is also the possibility you rise from obscurity to national championships by doing this in just a few years..............i know i will be shot down for this one. If it was Bama this would be the first thing mentioned...........roll tide

EnterBama · Jun 24, 2019

Clemson lost their entire defensive line to the NFL as well as others like these kids. Tell me again why they're the favorite to win the NC?

B1GTide · Jun 24, 2019

RTR91 said:
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If this were Alabama or OSU, the media would be out with pitchforks over this.

crimsonaudio · Jun 24, 2019

EnterBama said:
Clemson lost their entire defensive line to the NFL as well as others like these kids. Tell me again why they're the favorite to win the NC?

Widespread institutional steroid use.

RTR91 · Jun 24, 2019

B1GTide said:
If this were Alabama or OSU, the media would be out with pitchforks over this.

Yep. I remember we all thought Clemson would have media problems after 2016, but they’ve yet to get the media treatment of Alabama, Ohio State, and a few others.

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CajunCrimson · Jun 25, 2019

RTR91 said:
Yep. I remember we all thought Clemson would have media problems after 2016, but they’ve yet to get the media treatment of Alabama, Ohio State, and a few others.

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NCAA Rules Two Clemson Players Ineligible for 2019 After Failed CFP Drug Test

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