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    Re: Russian Population Drop > 1 million Working Age Russians in the Last Year

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    Russia went from full Communism to crony Capitalist Oligarchical Kleptocracy, hardly a failure of Socialism
    I'd argue that all that changed was the label...
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    Re: Russian Population Drop > 1 million Working Age Russians in the Last Year

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    I'd argue that all that changed was the label...

    I wouldn't fight you on that either
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    Re: Russian Population Drop > 1 million Working Age Russians in the Last Year

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    I'd argue that all that changed was the label...
    By the Brezhnev era, the USSR was a Socialist* Oligarchic Kleptocracy
    (* Socialist in the sense of public ownership of the means of production)
    Oligarchic within the upper reaches of the party, and kleptocratic, but within bounds. If the kleptocracy became too obvious, the KGB would swoop in.

    Putin is most definitely not a bolshevik or socialist. Ideologically, he is a White, like Ilyn. His favorite political philosopher is Ivan Ilyn (1883 – 1954).

    Putin had made Ilyn's writings mandatory reading in the Kremlin.

    In Putin's Russia, I would not describe the system as capitalist, maybe economically it is closest to Nazy Germany, in which the means of production are officially in private hands, but behind those hands is a secret police with the power to arrest and imprison property owners and confiscate their wealth (e.g. Khodorkovsky). The system is very much oligarchic, centered on the person of Vladimir Vladimirovish Putin and his comrades from the siloviki ("the force men," KGB/FSB/army/GRU). Kleptocracy is clearly the mean MO. It is not tolerated, it is expected, the reason why you seek public office, so you can scrape a little off on the side and pocket it. And everyone wishing to make some money in Russia must find a krisha (a "roof" in Russian, or a protector) and pay him off. The theft goes up the chain, with Putin at the top. He gets a cut.
    So, capitalist? Sort of. Oligarchic, definitely. Kleptocratic, for sure.
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    Re: Russian Population Drop > 1 million Working Age Russians in the Last Year

    Quote Originally Posted by Tidewater View Post
    Holy disappearing workforce, Batman!
    The number of working-age Russians fell by 1,049,000 between April 2018 and April 2019, the largest drop so far this century.
    Employment and unemployment in the Russian Federation in April 2019
    And the other shoe drops. Why is a plummeting working age population such a problem for the Russians?
    Russia is trying to field a military of 1 million men (& presumably a few women).
    There are two sources for these men: conscripts and voluntary/contract soldiers.
    Military service is extremely unpopular (it's dangerous and conscripts are treated callously with demeaning hazing rituals), so parents in Russia seek medical disability for their sons. This is something of a cottage industry in Russia. It is expensive to get a doctor to sign a statement and then bribe the conscription official to accept the doctor's disability determination.
    Why do authorities tighten rules for conscription? (in Russian)

    "About 30% of each "conscript class" receive health deferments. ... Until 2030, the number of young men who will reach the age of 18 every year will not exceed 650 thousand. ... Putins demand to bring the Armed Forces to the millions of people cannot be fulfilled in principle.
    Russia cannot retain the contract soldiers they hire, so they are now doing what the Soviets did: they are building hollow units, units with the officers & NCOs needed for a full-strength unit, but without the junior enlisted men. These will be drafted/recalled in the event of a war. How such units would perform in a war is difficult to determine. The Soviets gave up 2.5 million prisoners of war to the Wehrmacht in 1941 alone.

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    Re: Russian Population Drop > 1 million Working Age Russians in the Last Year

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    I'd argue that all that changed was the label...
    Exactly. The country is run by a former big honcho in the KGB during Soviet times.

    I know a ton of expat Russians here and in the Chicago area. Many working it high-tech, business, medical careers. To a person, they agree that they will probably never go back there to live. Choosing the craziness of current US over the mess that is Russia today.

    I've shared this before, but one of my neighbors when I lived in Omaha was a former officer in an armored division of the Soviet Army. His stories of freezing to death on manuevers, working for years to finally get a one bedroom, concrete flat. Going without dinner so their son could have something to eat. When i knew him, he had a 3 bedroom house, a nice fenced-in yard in the 'burbs. He never complained about his move to the US.

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    Re: Russian Population Drop > 1 million Working Age Russians in the Last Year

    Quote Originally Posted by Its On A Slab View Post
    Exactly. The country is run by a former big honcho in the KGB during Soviet times.

    I know a ton of expat Russians here and in the Chicago area. Many working it high-tech, business, medical careers. To a person, they agree that they will probably never go back there to live. Choosing the craziness of current US over the mess that is Russia today.

    I've shared this before, but one of my neighbors when I lived in Omaha was a former officer in an armored division of the Soviet Army. His stories of freezing to death on manuevers, working for years to finally get a one bedroom, concrete flat. Going without dinner so their son could have something to eat. When i knew him, he had a 3 bedroom house, a nice fenced-in yard in the 'burbs. He never complained about his move to the US.
    And he went back to be the director of the successor agency to the KGB, which he had joined in his early 20s. He rose as high as the director for Dresden in East Germany, before resigning to go into politics as the mayor (in effect) of Leningrad. Your comment about the Russian emigres reminded me of an incident - Several years ago, I was filling up at Costco in my Miata. A peculiarity is that you have to click several times or you'll end up with a tank about 1.5 gallons short of full. I explained that to the attendant and we struck up a conversation. He related that, recently, he observed a customer with his finger down the filler tube, depressing the trip mechanism. He walked over and told the guy he couldn't do that. The guy replied, in a thick Russian accent, "Vy not? Dat way it hold more." The attendant explained that, not only was it a violation of Costco's rules, it was a violation of federal law. The guy replied that he'd left Russia so he wouldn't have to talk to the KGB, and "talking to you is just like talking to the KGB." The secret police haven't been called the KGB for a very long time, which tells you this guy had been in the States a long time. (I may have posted this story before.)
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    Re: Russian Population Drop > 1 million Working Age Russians in the Last Year

    As a sequel, the attendant tried to convince the guy that he could force gas into his charcoal canister and damage his emission system, which is costly to repair. The guy just kept on directing the KGB accusation at him...
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    Re: Russian Population Drop > 1 million Working Age Russians in the Last Year

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    As a sequel, the attendant tried to convince the guy that he could force gas into his charcoal canister and damage his emission system, which is costly to repair. The guy just kept on directing the KGB accusation at him...
    Another peculiarity about the Russian neighbors. We went to their house for a neighborhood Summer cookout. His wife was doing the grilling. I asked him about how the man usually takes care of the cooking outdoors. He said, "In Russia, woman does all the cooking."

    He was also adamant that Russian fighter jets were far better than the US jets. He didn't like it when I told him that, maybe they are faster, but ours will shoot theirs down over the horizon.

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