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    Re: 75th anniversary of D-Day...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tidewater View Post
    The figure for the Hitlerjugend division sounds high.
    5th Panzer Army commander was "Sepp" Dietrich. He was not especially competent, but he was an SS officer and a loyal Nazi, so Hitler liked him and gave him command of the 5th Panzer Army.

    Martin Blumenson, Breakout and Pursuit, 577, citing "Telecon, Rotbers and Tempelhoff, 1545, 21 Aug, and Fifth Pz Army Rpt, 0650, 28 Aug, AGp B KTB."

    I know I'm getting a head of the narrative, but this showed how bad things got for the Germans, even with Bradley halting Patton's guys.
    LOL! A corporal puts his chauffeur in charge of an army...
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    Re: 75th anniversary of D-Day...

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    LOL! A corporal puts his chauffeur in charge of an army...
    What's funny is that Dietrich was given command of the 6th SS Panzer Army for the Battle of the Bulge and the 6th performed worse than the 5th Panzer Army in the Bulge. The 6th Panzer Army's performance was quite poor (and the committed atrocities to boot).

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    Re: 75th anniversary of D-Day...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tidewater View Post
    What's funny is that Dietrich was given command of the 6th SS Panzer Army for the Battle of the Bulge and the 6th performed worse than the 5th Panzer Army in the Bulge. The 6th Panzer Army's performance was quite poor (and the committed atrocities to boot).
    What'd he get for the Malmedy massacre? Something less than two years? He was a Nazi stooge, pure and simple. His sole redeeming virtue was following orders to go kill Röhm and other SA. So, Hitler makes him a general...
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    August 14, 1944: The closing of the Falaise pocket is finally ordered. To accomplish this, the Canadians start Operation Tractable (the final offensive conducted by Canadian and Polish Army troops as part of the Battle of Normandy), which aims to control the main exits of the Germans by capturing the strategically important town of Falaise, and following that, the smaller towns of Trun and Chambois. The Allied air force sends 800 Avro Lancaster and Handley Page Halifax heavy bombers to the north and south of Falaise, but as with Totalize, many of the bombers mistakenly dropped their bombs short of their targets, causing 400 Polish and Canadian casualties. After the bombings ceased, three Canadian divisions (2nd and 3rd Infantry, 4th Armored Division), the Polish 1st Armored Division, and the British 53rd Infantry Division start the offensive. Throughout the day, continual attacks by the Canadian 4th and Polish 1st Armored Divisions manage to force a crossing of the Laison River. The 1st, 12th and 21st SS Panzer divisions start to counter-attack northwest toward Soulangy, but the Allies stop these attacks while the Polish 1st Armored Division progresses to the east of Falaise in order to cut off the retreat of the German divisions. The German officers continue to receive Hitler's orders prohibiting any retreat to the east, ordering the officers instead to stay where they are.

    Meanwhile, the US 15th Corps (part of US 3rd Army) begins to advance eastward from Argentan toward Dreux. Elements of US 1st Army move into position at Argentan. In Brittany, forces of US 3rd Army clear German resistance from most of St. Malo except for the ancient citadel in the port area.

    Over France, RAF Bomber Command sends 805 aircraft to attack German troop positions around Falaise and 159 aircraft to attack Brest during the day. US 8th Air Force attacks Metz with 72 bombers, ttacks airfields, bridges, and rail lines with 354 bombers escorted by 92 fighters, and attacks targets around Paris with 136 fighters. US 9th Air Force attacks transportation lines, bridges, and vehicle traffic around Falaise pocket.

    On the eastern front, the German 3rd Panzer Army counterattacks the 51st Army of Soviet 1st Baltic Front around Jelgava-Riga. Troops of 47th Army of Soviet 1st Belorussian Front attack north of Warsaw, and German IV SS Panzer Korps counterattacks. 2nd Tank Army of Soviet 1st Belorussian Front attacks south of Warsaw.

    In Italy, US 12th Air Force aircraft attack targets along the Arno River and in northern Italy and US 15th Air Force attacks Genoa.

    Pictured: American soldiers welcomed by French citizens, August 14, 1944; Infantry soldiers and US armored vehicles of the 41st Armored Infantry Regiment, 2nd Armored Division come down the Rue Saint Michel in the village of Lonlay l’abbaye, Normandy, August 14, 1944; A Canadian medic is rescuing a buddy near a burning Sturmgeschütz III, just north of Falaise, August 14, 1944; Polish insurgent fighters with captured German SdKfz. 251 halftrack vehicle, Warsaw, Poland, August 14, 1944

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    Re: 75th anniversary of D-Day...

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    The StuG-III was the most commonly-produced German armored fighting vehicle of the war. It is on a Pzkw Mark III chassis, but the Pzkw III had been around in 1939. I do not know of any other country that was producing the same tank in 1945 that they were in 1939. It had a medium velocity 75mm cannon and a low profile, but it was on a Mark III chassis and had no turret. This says a lot about the Nazi state.
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    Re: 75th anniversary of D-Day...

    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonaudio View Post
    August 14, 1944: ... Infantry soldiers and US armored vehicles of the 41st Armored Infantry Regiment, 2nd Armored Division come down the Rue Saint Michel in the village of Lonlay l’abbaye, Normandy, August 14, 1944.

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    Here is another before and after street view. Apologies about geeking out on this stuff, but I find this interesting.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@48.6457...7i13312!8i6656

    France has cleaned up pretty nice since 1944.
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    Re: 75th anniversary of D-Day...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tidewater View Post
    Here is another before and after street view. Apologies about geeking out on this stuff, but I find this interesting.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@48.6457...7i13312!8i6656

    France has cleaned up pretty nice since 1944.
    I've always been amazed where major battles have taken place, Dresden being the most impressive to me. Funny, but the cathedral in downtown Stuttgart has been faithfully restored on the outside, but inside, there's a modern church. Here is a URL with exhaustive detail on the closing of the gap, with particular emphasis on the roles of the Poles and Canadians. This gets ahead of Brad's day by day, so anyone wanting to follow it daily might want to wait to read it. Once, on Facebook, my son and I were discussing the Normans and I made the chance remark that Rollo had died in France. This infuriated my daughter, who was watching the "Vikings" series on TV and regarded it as a spoiler...

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    Re: 75th anniversary of D-Day...

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    I'm continually amazed everywhere in Europe where major battles took place. I guess the most impressive was Dresden...
    Never been there, but I can imagine it must have been quite the reconstruction effort.

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    Re: 75th anniversary of D-Day...

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    I've always been amazed where major battles have taken place, Dresden being the most impressive to me. Funny, but the cathedral in downtown Stuttgart has been faithfully restored on the outside, but inside, there's a modern church. Here is a URL with exhaustive detail on the closing of the gap, with particular emphasis on the roles of the Poles and Canadians. This gets ahead of Brad's day by day, so anyone wanting to follow it daily might want to wait to read it. Once, on Facebook, my son and I were discussing the Normans and I made the chance remark that Rollo had died in France. This infuriated my daughter, who was watching the "Vikings" series on TV and regarded it as a spoiler...

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    Good link. Thank you. Again I’m amazed at the effort of the Canadians and Poles.

    It’s hard to imagine why the Germans didn’t just put a stop to the war after the Falaise Pocket.

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    Re: 75th anniversary of D-Day...

    Quote Originally Posted by Go Bama View Post
    Good link. Thank you. Again I’m amazed at the effort of the Canadians and Poles.

    It’s hard to imagine why the Germans didn’t just put a stop to the war after the Falaise Pocket.
    Hitler did not see any way but victory for him to keep power. He did not care how many Germans died as a result. (In fact, towards the end, he wanted more dead Germans because the Germans had let him down).
    A German colleague of mine who knows a great deal about military history and WW II in particular told me that the majority of German casualties in the entire war came in the last twelve months of the war (dead & wounded). I checked, and he is right. The last twelve months was a catastrophe for Germany.

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    Re: 75th anniversary of D-Day...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tidewater View Post
    Never been there, but I can imagine it must have been quite the reconstruction effort.
    The computer was screwed up. Not only was it delaying my typing, it wasn't showing posts until I restarted. The East German regime would not permit the renovation of the central city, opting to leave it in ruins as a monument. (BTW, the intelligence czar was a certain Vladimir Putin.) The Germans had previously numbered every single building block. IDK if they were looking forward to possibly having to rebuild or not. After reunification and the reconstruction go-ahead, they rebuilt. The sooty blocks are original; the clean ones are replacements...

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    Re: 75th anniversary of D-Day...

    Quote Originally Posted by Go Bama View Post
    Good link. Thank you. Again I’m amazed at the effort of the Canadians and Poles.

    It’s hard to imagine why the Germans didn’t just put a stop to the war after the Falaise Pocket.
    This is a follow on video to the the one produced on Canadian troops at Normandy. They continued to face very difficult fighting and losses in the area around Calais and further along the coast.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFQJDgt8a00&t=1603s

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