I think the reasons the Allies went with Italy before Marseilles were two:How about starting with Marseilles, rather than Italy?
I think it was the limited LSTs, actually. IIRC there was a critical shortage of them throughout the war and they were used heavily in the Pacific theater's island-hopping.If it was just amphibious resources, I'd have to see which resources and what they were doing. Maybe it was limited LSTs. An apocryphal quote from Churchill went something like, "Six months ago, I did not know what an LST was. Now the fate of empires depends on the d___ things." The Allies were managing LSTs by the "eaches" (i.e. managing what each and every one was doing because they were too scarce a resource to be wasted).
True, and it wasn't like they switched a lot of LSTs back and forth from the Pacific Theater of War to the European Theater of War. I think once they went to one theater of war or the other, they stayed there until the war was over.I think it was the limited LSTs, actually. IIRC there was a critical shortage of them throughout the war and they were used heavily in the Pacific theater's island-hopping.
I think this is it. Look at the chimney in the background.August 16, 1944: ... Beauvain, shortly after its liberation on august the 16th 1944. Three French civilians sit on some steps, closely observing the activities of two American soliders going about their business. The GI on the right is no ordinary soldier but Major General Manton Sprague Eddy, commander of the 9th US infantry division.
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Definitely the same. Two sets of stairs on the right. Brick fence posts between the buildings on the left and in front of the chimneyed house in the distance. Even the down spouts for the gutters are the same. The overhead electrical service has been removed.I think this is it. Look at the chimney in the background.
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The French trio look like they are thinking, "Nothing ever happens in this village..."
Agree. Once having neutralized Italy, there was little point in continuing the march up the peninsula, other than to placate Churchill. He argued that we tied down German troops. However, minimal troops and feints would have accomplished the same...I think the reasons the Allies went with Italy before Marseilles were two:
1. It was the obvious choice in the summer of 1943, since they had captured all of North Africa and Sicily was within range for land-based aircraft, making an amphibious invasion possible.
2. Going after Italy could get the Italian government to collapse, getting the Italians out of the war.
Once the Italian government had collapsed, there was little point in continuing to attack in terrain so advantageous for the defenders.
Agreed. Plus, the further south the Allies staid, the more Italian coastline the Germans had to defend.Agree. Once having neutralized Italy, there was little point in continuing the march up the peninsula, other than to placate Churchill. He argued that we tied down German troops. However, minimal troops and feints would have accomplished the same...
Franceville, France? See, now that's just lazy.August 17, 1944: The Belgian Colonel Jean Piron pushes eastward and liberates Sallenelles, near the Orne river and continues his advance up to Franceville, which is attacked and liberated by 8:00 pm by the 3rd Motorized unit.
At least, no doubt about its origin. In Savoie, where my daughter lives, the original language was Aripitan, a cousin of Occitan, still spoken in parts of the southern France, northern Italian region, and also closely kin to Catalan. As a result, a lot of the place names in Savoie are definitely of non-French origin...Franceville, France? See, now that's just lazy.
Is Aripitan intelligible for French-speakers? I've never heard it, (although I have been to Haute Savoie.At least, no doubt about its origin. In Savoie, where my daughter lives, the original language was Aripitan, a cousin of Occitan, still spoken in parts of the southern France, northern Italian region, and also closely kin to Catalan. As a result, a lot of the place names in Savoie are definitely of non-French origin...
No, it's not. It's almost an extinct language at this point, normally found only in place names and artifacts in the local dialect. The locals speak a Provencal-Savoy dialect now. Occitan-Romance, the group which Arpitan belongs, is still alive, but hardly healthy. It does, however, still have several hundred thousand speakers, counting Catalan. IRRC, the terminilogy "Lingua (or langue D'Oc) actually comes from the vulgate Latin for "here," - "hoc." I've bought a pinot grigio for years, the "Cavit" brand, from northern Italy. The labels used to proudly state "Langue D'Oc." Now, they say, in Italian, "Delle Veniezie." Still same company, from Trento, (or Trent, if you prefer)...Is Aripitan intelligible for French-speakers? I've never heard it, (although I have been to Haute Savoie.
This is really off-topic (apologies Brad), but I found a page written by a native Occitan speaker, with an associated video.No, it's not. It's almost an extinct language at this point, normally found only in place names and artifacts in the local dialect. The locals speak a Provencal-Savoy dialect now. Occitan-Romance, the group which Arpitan belongs, is still alive, but hardly healthy. It does, however, still have several hundred thousand speakers, counting Catalan. IRRC, the terminilogy "Lingua (or langue D'Oc) actually comes from the vulgate Latin for "here," - "hoc." I've bought a pinot grigio for years, the "Cavit" brand, from northern Italy. The labels used to proudly state "Langue D'Oc." Now, they say, in Italian, "Delle Veniezie." Still same company, from Trento, (or Trent, if you prefer)...
The fighting was not in the vicinity of Flers for very long, so I would not have anticipated just how beat-up Flers was by 17 Aug 44. Man, I guess it does not pay to throw a war in your own neighborhood.August 17, 1944: A Sherman tank drives through the remains of Flers, August 17, 1944
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The reconstruction of Europe is still just so amazing...The fighting was not in the vicinity of Flers for very long, so I would not have anticipated just how beat-up Flers was by 17 Aug 44. Man, I guess it does not pay to throw a war in your own neighborhood.
It actually seems a bit more closely related to Spanish, but it's really older than both...This is really off-topic (apologies Brad), but I found a page written by a native Occitan speaker, with an associated video.
He says to a French speaker, Occitan sounds like a Frenchman speaking Catalan with a French accent.
That's what it sounds like to me. A lot of it is unintelligible, but there are also many words I can pick out and understand.
Written Langue d'Oc compares to French like this:
"Totas las personas naisson liuras e egalas en dignitat e en drech. Son dotadas de rason e de consciéncia e lor cal agir entre elas amb un esperit de frairesa". - Occitan (Langued'oc)
"Tous les êtres humains naissent libres et égaux en dignité et en droits. Ils sont doués de raison et de conscience et doivent agir les uns envers les autres dans un esprit de fraternité" - French
[Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 1]
Spanish speakers will see some similarities to Langue d'Oc.