Who throws for more yards Tua or Jalen? - Page 4
Page 4 of 10 FirstFirst 12345678910 LastLast
Results 40 to 52 of 125
  1. #40
    BamaNation Hall of Fame B1GTide's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    21,612

    Re: Who throws for more yards Tua or Jalen?

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaMoon View Post
    I kinda "hinted" at that earlier. I'm afraid all that Jalen may have learned about staying in the pocket and trying to find a 2nd or 3rd receiver will go out the window and he'll revert back to a first read and run guy.

    And honestly, that may be all he needs to be for OU to be very dangerous offensively in the Big 12 but it will be interesting to see what happens if OU gets beyond the Big 12 and plays a good defense in the playoffs.
    He played against a pretty good defense in the SECCG last year. I know that they prepared for Tua, but that was still remarkable since GA played against Jalen the year before, so they had a plan for him.

    The Jalen Hurts that played in 2018 was far better than the player that started for Alabama the previous 2 seasons.

  2. #41
    BamaNation All-SEC
    Join Date
    Nov 2017
    Posts
    1,450

    Re: Who throws for more yards Tua or Jalen?

    Quote Originally Posted by B1GTide View Post
    He played against a pretty good defense in the SECCG last year. I know that they prepared for Tua, but that was still remarkable since GA played against Jalen the year before, so they had a plan for him.

    The Jalen Hurts that played in 2018 was far better than the player that started for Alabama the previous 2 seasons.
    Along that line of thought I tend to believe that there are several teams and players who are going to compete hard to get into the playoffs this year. I think of Jack Fromm, Joe Burrow, Jalen and needless to say Trevor Lawrence. It is healthy to recognize that Dabo, Riley and Smart are going to be forces to be reckoned with for years to come. Different but very effective approaches. Who is going to emerge to become a force from the BIG?

  3. #42
    BamaNation Hall of Fame BamaMoon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Plano, TX
    Posts
    11,783

    Re: Who throws for more yards Tua or Jalen?

    Quote Originally Posted by B1GTide View Post
    He played against a pretty good defense in the SECCG last year. I know that they prepared for Tua, but that was still remarkable since GA played against Jalen the year before, so they had a plan for him.

    The Jalen Hurts that played in 2018 was far better than the player that started for Alabama the previous 2 seasons.
    No question he stepped up and did what he was asked to do. Completed some GREAT throws and used his feet and without his performance, we don't beat Georgia.

    The "question" about Jalen is can he do that all the time?

    It's not a slight against Jalen to say he's probably best with a quick read/throw and then using his feet. I think that's how OU will use him. While he might have improved his pocket play, it would be a shame for him to not use his greatest strength, which is his legs.

  4. #43
    BamaNation Hall of Fame B1GTide's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    21,612

    Re: Who throws for more yards Tua or Jalen?

    Quote Originally Posted by UAH View Post
    Along that line of thought I tend to believe that there are several teams and players who are going to compete hard to get into the playoffs this year. I think of Jack Fromm, Joe Burrow, Jalen and needless to say Trevor Lawrence. It is healthy to recognize that Dabo, Riley and Smart are going to be forces to be reckoned with for years to come. Different but very effective approaches. Who is going to emerge to become a force from the BIG?
    I will be shocked if any team other than UM wins the B1G this year. If they do not win the B1G, Harbaugh will be fired.

  5. #44
    BamaNation Second Team
    Join Date
    Nov 2017
    Posts
    101

    Re: Who throws for more yards Tua or Jalen?

    This is a great question and an excellent thread. When I first read the question I thought "Tua of course" but some of the commenters made great points in Jalen's favor. Tua will definitely prevail on yards per pass and pass completion percentage, but Jalen is likely to get much more playing time, so it could be close. I think our D will be much better, which means that some games may be even bigger blowouts than last year, and Tua may get pulled even earlier in a lot of games. I also think CNS may want to maximize the opportunity for both Taulia and Tyson to get some in-game reps, and each could play a lot in four games without losing a redshirt.

    Even though Jalen will get more snaps, and face weaker defenses, to me the deciding factor is the quality of our receivers. With Jeudy, Ruggs, Smith and Waddle back and another year of chemistry between them and Tua I just think his passing efficiency numbers are going to be so ridiculous that he will lead the nation in most passing categories, possibly even in total passing yards, even if he plays less than last year.
    Last edited by Blueguitar; July 10th, 2019 at 12:32 PM.

  6. #45
    BamaNation Hall of Fame CajunCrimson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Location
    Breaux Bridge, La
    Posts
    17,445

    Re: Who throws for more yards Tua or Jalen?

    If our schedule is as "easy" as everyone is saying it is -- I just don't see how Jalen can accomplish more than Tua throwing. I just don't see it. Unless you believe Riley is a miracle worker. If he was a 4000 or 5000 yard passer (as some are speculating) -- he'd have held on to his job.
    Doc Holliday: [to Johnny Ringo, after shooting him in a duel] You're no daisy! You're no daisy at all. Poor soul, you were just too high strung

  7. #46
    BamaNation Hall of Fame B1GTide's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    21,612

    Re: Who throws for more yards Tua or Jalen?

    Quote Originally Posted by CajunCrimson View Post
    If our schedule is as "easy" as everyone is saying it is -- I just don't see how Jalen can accomplish more than Tua throwing. I just don't see it. Unless you believe Riley is a miracle worker. If he was a 4000 or 5000 yard passer (as some are speculating) -- he'd have held on to his job.
    If Alabama's schedule is "easy", then OU's schedule is a complete joke. Your schedule is far from easy.

  8. #47
    Super Moderator RTR91's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Prattville
    Posts
    39,239

    Re: Who throws for more yards Tua or Jalen?

    Quote Originally Posted by CajunCrimson View Post
    If our schedule is as "easy" as everyone is saying it is -- I just don't see how Jalen can accomplish more than Tua throwing. I just don't see it. Unless you believe Riley is a miracle worker. If he was a 4000 or 5000 yard passer (as some are speculating) -- he'd have held on to his job.
    It's not as simple as how easy the schedule is.

    Tua and Jalen averaged 11.4 and 11.3 yards per attempt last year (combined they averaged 11.38 yards per attempt). Kyler Murray averaged 11.9 yards per attempt. Not a massive difference. Jalen and Tua combined for 361 attempts, and Kyler threw for 340 attempts. If Jalen throws 340 times in 2019 with the same 11.3 average, he'll throw for 3,842 yards. If Tua throws 361 passes at 11.4 yards, he'll throw for 4,115 yards.

    Do we expect him to throw that many passes? The most a Saban QB has thrown was Blake Sims's 355 in 2014, which was many of Kiffin's behind the LOS passes.

    If it is as simple as how easy the schedule is, look at who is the more complete team. Because Alabama is the more complete team, the QB isn't required to do as much. Therefore, Tua won't have the chances to put up the numbers that Jalen will. Kyler had to put up points because OU's defense was so bad (evident in the first half of the Orange Bowl).

    Something to consider for Jalen, though, will be the inexperience on the OL. OU had four guys drafted this past year IIRC.
    "I don't know what class is but I can tell when one has it, you can tell from a mile away"
    -- Coach Bryant

    "We always talk about playing 60 minutes but this is a 60-10 game: the 60 minutes of the game and the 10 minutes in the locker room after the game that you remember for the rest of your life."
    -- Nick Saban day after beating Clemson

  9. #48
    BamaNation Hall of Fame BamaMoon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Plano, TX
    Posts
    11,783

    Re: Who throws for more yards Tua or Jalen?

    Quote Originally Posted by RTR91 View Post

    Something to consider for Jalen, though, will be the inexperience on the OL. OU had four guys drafted this past year IIRC.
    IOW, we'll find out real fast how much progress Jalen has made about standing in the pocket and going thru progressions.

  10. #49
    BamaNation Second Team
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Atlanta, GA
    Posts
    109

    Re: Who throws for more yards Tua or Jalen?

    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    I think Jalen simply because he's a senior QB going against flag football defenses with some decent receivers.


    Get ready for the stories about how his development at Alabama was "hindered" by Saban and "what a genius Lincoln Riley is" for "turning Hurts into a first-rate passer."

    And none of it will be true as written. But get ready for the Revisionism Railroad out of the station.
    I hadn't thought about that. I hope that isn't the case, but you may be right. Most rational people will be aware that Tua is a pretty good counter-argument... so oh well. Regardless, excited to see what Lincoln Riley's system can do for him. Would be awesome if he shows enough on the field to get drafted (as a QB) next year.

  11. #50
    BamaNation Hall of Fame
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Gadsden, Al.
    Posts
    6,088

    Re: Who throws for more yards Tua or Jalen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamabuzzard View Post
    Jalen and probably by a lot. I think we're going to see CNS pull back on how much "air show" we see from Tua and the passing game this season. I expect to see more ground and pound, clock eating style offense in 2019.
    I think Jalen will have that honor.
    First... Jalen has worked on his passing game. He is good.
    Second... OK. Does Not have the personnel to pound it out on the ground, we do.

  12. #51
    BamaNation All-American PA Tide Fan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    Lancaster, PA
    Posts
    2,228

    Re: Who throws for more yards Tua or Jalen?

    Here's the most recent betting odds (as of July 3) from Bovada on the 2019 Heisman race. I think it ties into this thread somewhat because right now the feeling is that Tua will do slightly better than Jalen. I don't know if people are basing this on more passing yards, better QBR, or something else.

    Trevor Lawrence (Clemson) +260

    Tua Tagovailoa (Alabama) +300

    Jalen Hurts (Oklahoma) +650
    Last edited by PA Tide Fan; July 10th, 2019 at 11:49 PM.

  13. #52
    Administrator WMack4Bama's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Tuscaloosa, AL
    Posts
    11,122

    Re: Who throws for more yards Tua or Jalen?

    Can confirm

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamabuzzard View Post
    Jalen and probably by a lot. I think we're going to see CNS pull back on how much "air show" we see from Tua and the passing game this season. I expect to see more ground and pound, clock eating style offense in 2019.
    "I didn't come to Alabama to win 10 games a year and be a contender. I came here to win championships. Conference championships and national championships. I love it here because that's just not what I want, but what this fanbase expects."
    --Alabama Head Football Coach, Nick Saban

    “Everyone is a genius. But if you judge a fish on it’s ability to climb a tree, it will spend it’s whole life believing it is stupid.” — Albert Einstein

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

TideFansStore.com Bama Gear