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    Re: Who is Jeffrey Epstein?

    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    He was either going to pull a Polanski, or he was going to be carried by six before he could be judged by twelve.
    I see many reasons for his suicide. I don't think he really needs a bunch of half-cocked conspiracy theories...
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    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    I'm gonna say this just once.


    It is NO secret that I regard Bill Clinton as pretty much scum (and his wife is worse). The man always used to tick me off for the same reasons Trump does - you could look at him and telling he was lying his tail off.


    However.......


    I'm still trying to figure out how it is that given I knew everything this guy did with a cigar and a 21-year old intern due - in large part - to his clumsiness....

    how is this same guy able to murder so many people indiscriminately and never leave a trace?

    He couldn't even clean up the evidence from his indiscretion.


    Do ANY of our conspiracy theorists who hold to the Jerry Falwell video series actually want to explain this one to me?
    I did not say I believe any of it, I said if it turned out to be true (the Clintons having a hand in it), it would be very interesting to see what the law can do to the Clintons. But I got my popcorn ready though, just in case.

    The Clintons, like the Obamas are as likely to see a jail cell as Trump and his cronies.
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    Re: Who is Jeffrey Epstein?

    Clinton and Trump both associated with this scumbag for a time but to think either was connected with his 'suicide' is ludicrous. Most likely, realizing that his life of wealth, power and privilege was over, he killed himself or at most was 'allowed' to kill himself.
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    Re: Who is Jeffrey Epstein?

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    I see many reasons for his suicide. I don't think he really needs a bunch of half-cocked conspiracy theories...
    Bingo.

    And I now see reported that they took him off suicide watch weeks ago. That seems to have been the whole sticking point.

    I thought it was interesting at first based on reports, but initial reports are almost always wrong. Unfortunately, initial reports being wrong are the gasoline for the jet rocket of conspiracy theories. "Well, they reported this but then...." I'm as harsh a critic of the media as anyone, but I understand in situations like this why that happens.
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    Re: Who is Jeffrey Epstein?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonTheory View Post
    I did not say I believe any of it, I said if it turned out to be true (the Clintons having a hand in it), it would be very interesting to see what the law can do to the Clintons. But I got my popcorn ready though, just in case.

    The Clintons, like the Obamas are as likely to see a jail cell as Trump and his cronies.
    My apologies for my own misunderstanding then - but I think even speculating that X was involved or even could have been involved with such things is just mindless.

    The other thing that we have happening now is that every single time something happens, the hard partisans insist that whatever it is that happens is a designed "distraction" from whatever the previous story was.

    We've always had a lot of news stories, we did not always have the ability to fire them out constantly in real time. I enjoy the ease of the I phone, but I WILL confess I do miss the simpler time of not getting whiplash as we move from "big story" to "big story."
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    Re: Who is Jeffrey Epstein?

    Some of the posts here - and in general circulation - are exactly the reasons that the American population is so vulnerable to disinformation, such as the Russians and Saudis spread...
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    Something stinks but I'd have to agree negligence and bad psychiatric assessment are more likely to blame than conspiracy. We all would be hard pressed to deny that several powerful people breathed a sigh of relief when this news dropped. The conspiracy theories are gonna linger because of the convenience of his death for powerful people paired with sheer idiocy of not having him damn near straight-jacketed. Anyone caught dead to rights for heinous pedophilic crimes is a suicide risk because of the perception/reality of what happens to those people in prison. That fact that he was not on watch with one other apparent attempt recently is fishy.
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    Re: Who is Jeffrey Epstein?

    A question for our legal eagle posters: What are the legalities around search of a dead person's property?

    I'm sure there's a lot of people of all political persuasions who are breathing a sigh of relief that Epstein won't be testifying about anything. But what about the films, computer videos, emails, etc. that might be in his various homes, computers and safe deposit boxes?

    Do his "clients" have any reason to be concerned about that?
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    The criminal case against Epstein is as dead as he is. There still will surely be civil cases as well as criminal conspiracy cases against his 'helpers'.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...l_nbn_20190811
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    Re: Who is Jeffrey Epstein?

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    Some of the posts here - and in general circulation - are exactly the reasons that the American population is so vulnerable to disinformation, such as the Russians and Saudis spread...
    Yes, and it's terrible.

    One of the stories in "Fear" (by Woodward) focuses on a briefing of the bipartisan intelligence committee regarding Russian election interference......and the only thing that happens is the Republicans are trying to figure out how to spin it into "not a big deal" and the Democrats are smiling at the opportunity to hang Trump with it.They're literally worried about ONE thing - how can my tribe benefit from this news?

    The reactions now are so predictable by individuals that it's a waste of time to even contemplate or report them. Trump could be seen having sex on video with an underage girl, and every single Republican who saw it would either say it was an impostor, an altered video, or a setup.

    And those countries know this about us. That would not have worked thirty years ago.
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    Re: Who is Jeffrey Epstein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamaro View Post
    The criminal case against Epstein is as dead as he is. There still will surely be civil cases as well as criminal conspiracy cases against his 'helpers'.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...l_nbn_20190811
    No question, the case against Epstein is over. But what about criminal charges against others, stemming from evidence housed in safes, computers, or whatever, that belonged to Epstein?

    That's what generated my question to our resident legal experts.
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    Re: Who is Jeffrey Epstein?

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    No question, the case against Epstein is over. But what about criminal charges against others, stemming from evidence housed in safes, computers, or whatever, that belonged to Epstein?

    That's what generated my question to our resident legal experts.
    Well, which criminal defendants and what are you going to charge them with? Search warrants have to be very specific. You can't just have a general fishing expedition warrant. Don't exist...
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    Re: Who is Jeffrey Epstein?

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    Well, which criminal defendants and what are you going to charge them with? Search warrants have to be very specific. You can't just have a general fishing expedition warrant. Don't exist...
    I was under the impression the evidence retrieved at Epstein’s residents had already led to new investigations into others.

    Ben Sasse’s letter to the DOJ yesterday seemed to suggest it, too.


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