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    Quote Originally Posted by tideindc View Post
    He would probably be gone whether Locks was at Md or not.
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    With what I have seen and heard, I would say that is accurate.
    Stone cold dead on. And it doesn't sound like he had a choice in the matter.

    Given the attention that Anoma's departure has gotten, I'm surprised I haven't seen this tidbit from Saban's press conference mentioned.

    The link below is to kyallie's post of the press conference video. Take a listen between the 10:50 and 11:10 marks.

    https://www.tidefans.com/forums/show...=1#post3427948

    Huge quote from Saban: "The guy was dismissed from school...." Not dismissed from the football team. Saban's words were, "dismissed from school."

    Now, all that is statement of fact. I want to draw a clear line of separation between those facts and me going off into my interpretation, which is the rest of this post.

    What gets a student, any student, dismissed from school? Really only a few things.

    He could have committed a crime. But if that were the case, and it were bad enough to get kicked out of school, it would be a matter of public record, and we'd have heard about it. Don't think it's this.

    He could have flunked out. But if his grades were so bad that the University wasn't going to allow him to return for the fall semester, I think we'd have heard about suspensions and other disciplinary action way before it got to that point. It takes months for academic performance to get that bad, so the coaches would have had plenty of warning. And it stands to reason that if they did have that warning, I seriously doubt they'd have been counting on him for a material role in the fall. But they were counting on him. Which indicates to me that it wasn't grades. At least not directly. Because.....

    It could have been an academic integrity issue...plagiarism, cheating in some form or fashion, or similar. Which, by process of elimination, is what I suspect.

    It's an offense bad enough to get you thrown out of school, especially if you get busted and try to cover it up. But it's not matter of public record. And there isn't necessarily a long lead time to go from discovery of the problem to the termination of status as a student.

    While I can think of a lot of reasons someone would voluntarily leave, I can't think of another reason why the University would dismiss someone from school, without (1) the cause being a matter of public record, and (2) it comes as at least a mild surprise to the coaches.

    Can anybody out there come up with a plausible alternative?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Q Basket Case View Post
    Stone cold dead on. And it doesn't sound like he had a choice in the matter.

    Given the attention that Anoma's departure has gotten, I'm surprised I haven't seen this tidbit from Saban's press conference mentioned.

    The link below is to kyallie's post of the press conference video. Take a listen between the 10:50 and 11:10 marks.

    https://www.tidefans.com/forums/show...=1#post3427948

    Huge quote from Saban: "The guy was dismissed from school...." Not dismissed from the football team. Saban's words were, "dismissed from school."

    Now, all that is statement of fact. I want to draw a clear line of separation between those facts and me going off into my interpretation, which is the rest of this post.

    What gets a student, any student, dismissed from school? Really only a few things.

    He could have committed a crime. But if that were the case, and it were bad enough to get kicked out of school, it would be a matter of public record, and we'd have heard about it. Don't think it's this.

    He could have flunked out. But if his grades were so bad that the University wasn't going to allow him to return for the fall semester, I think we'd have heard about suspensions and other disciplinary action way before it got to that point. It takes months for academic performance to get that bad, so the coaches would have had plenty of warning. And it stands to reason that if they did have that warning, I seriously doubt they'd have been counting on him for a material role in the fall. But they were counting on him. Which indicates to me that it wasn't grades. At least not directly. Because.....

    It could have been an academic integrity issue...plagiarism, cheating in some form or fashion, or similar. Which, by process of elimination, is what I suspect.

    It's an offense bad enough to get you thrown out of school, especially if you get busted and try to cover it up. But it's not matter of public record. And there isn't necessarily a long lead time to go from discovery of the problem to the termination of status as a student.

    While I can think of a lot of reasons someone would voluntarily leave, I can't think of another reason why the University would dismiss someone from school, without (1) the cause being a matter of public record, and (2) it comes as at least a mild surprise to the coaches.

    Can anybody out there come up with a plausible alternative?
    I couldn't begin to speculate, but hearing he was dismissed doesn't sound good for him
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    I don't think this was a crime. My guess is it is an honor code violation or grades. You must have at least 1.50 GPA after your freshman year (or first 30 hours) to continue enrollment at the University according to the academic progress standard. Most people I know who ran into academic progress problems had bigger issues than merely intelligence/aptitude. They were usually dealing with "some stuff." Furthermore, those kind of grades with the academic support they all have can almost only be attained if their HS transcript was mostly fiction or they're just not trying one way or another.

    If I had to spin a yarn I reckon his issues in December were a come to Jesus when the grades dropped and his quiet exit this Summer was after more of the same in his Spring semester grades. FERPA protects a student's right to privacy for their academic performance. While the AD has privilege to view academic performance for their scholarship requirements that does not give a coach the privilege to divulge it to everyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rgw View Post
    I don't think this was a crime. My guess is it is an honor code violation or grades. You must have at least 1.50 GPA after your freshman year (or first 30 hours) to continue enrollment at the University according to the academic progress standard. Most people I know who ran into academic progress problems had bigger issues than merely intelligence/aptitude. They were usually dealing with "some stuff." Furthermore, those kind of grades with the academic support they all have can almost only be attained if their HS transcript was mostly fiction or they're just not trying one way or another.

    If I had to spin a yarn I reckon his issues in December were a come to Jesus when the grades dropped and his quiet exit this Summer was after more of the same in his Spring semester grades. FERPA protects a student's right to privacy for their academic performance. While the AD has privilege to view academic performance for their scholarship requirements that does not give a coach the privilege to divulge it to everyone else.
    Agreed that it's not likely a crime. Agreed that it could be an honor code problem. Agreed that grade problems probably aren't a function of academic inability.

    What would puzzle me is if Anoma was dismissed due to bad grades. If that's the case, with all the academic monitoring they do (verifying attendance, completion of assignments, etc.), why were the coaches even remotely figuring he would contribute in the fall?

    Or maybe that assumption's wrong, and the coaches were exploring other options long before the fans in general were aware that it's a question.
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    Yes, it is actually pretty tough to get tossed from the University (or most any state college) short of an actual crime. Academic shenanigans is the most common. A Title IX violation would also do it, as would some sort discriminatory offense (race, color, national origin, age, disability, pregnancy) not rising to the level of a crime. However, the latter usually manages to become public knowledge and seems unlikely.

    Simplest explanation is likely correct. I’d go with academic misconduct, not meaning bad grades.... Don’t guess it matters and it really isn’t any of my business.
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    Agreed about the missing piece about the grades is that it was unlikely he’d even got garbage time snaps if he was clearly heading towards academic progress standard problems.
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    If his dismissal from UA was indeed over grades leading to a sub 1.50 GPA.... and the reason behind it was a mental disorder or learning disorder then I really feel bad for the kid..... especially if Mental Illness(s) were the main factor.

    Mental Illness runs in my family on both sides and It's tough for me to admit it but I struggle with several disorders myself. It's a tough thing to deal with because there is such a negative stigma attached to it.

    Plus in my case I've been on Medications and in Therapy for over 5 years straight now and I still haven't been able to fully get things under control to the point I would seem 'Normal' to most other people IRL.

    Otoh IF his dismissal from school is from lack of effort/caring and/or some type of code of honor infraction then I still feel bad for him because it would be a right shame for his talent to be wasted.

    Whatever the reason(s) that led to this I'm pulling for the kid to succeed at LIFE.... and it's unfortunate that UA wasn't the right place to help him succeed.

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    My guess it was plagiarism. As a prof myself, we are struggling with an epidemic of plagiarism. Today's students, growing up in the Google age, seem not to grasp the idea that searching a topic on the internet and copying the text from a web site verbatim is considered wrong and not your work. And web sites like Course Hero allow one to mine a lot of information on any class, including questions and answers to previous exams. My institution is cracking down on this, using tools like Turnitin to monitor student work. We also monitor Course Hero and seed it with incorrect information and traps. And we are dismissing an increasing number of students caught in acts of academic dishonesty. Get caught and you are gone before the semester ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tideindc View Post
    Spoke with someone who knows Anoma. He said he has never really felt like he fit in with the bama program, and that it is not a given he transfers to Md.
    So he fits in at Houston? Maybe more football players at Houston have blue hair? Maybe at Houston you can be Self-centered and do things that draw attention to yourself rather than be a team player? By all appearances, this will not end well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRU View Post
    My guess it was plagiarism.
    It was not plagiarism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DogPatch View Post
    It was not plagiarism.
    Come on DogPatch, you tease too much.

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    Houston? What a weird series of events.

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    I just hope that this doesn't mess with our recruiting in the DMV. We have some big gets there in the next cycle, including at St.Frances...
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